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HOH Top 60 Defensemen List & Voting Record - tarheelhockey

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02-20-2012, 04:58 PM
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HOH Top 60 Defensemen List & Voting Record - tarheelhockey

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Rank Player
1 Bobby Orr
2 Ray Bourque
3 Doug Harvey
4 Eddie Shore
5 Nicklas Lidstrom
6 Denis Potvin
7 Red Kelly
8 Slava Fetisov
9 Chris Chelios
10 Sprague Cleghorn
11 Pierre Pilote
12 Al MacInnis
13 Paul Coffey
14 Brad Park
15 Larry Robinson
16 Hod Stuart
17 Borje Salming
18 Dit Clapper
19 Scott Stevens
20 Serge Savard
21 Chris Pronger
22 Brian Leetch
23 Tim Horton
24 King Clancy
25 Earl Seibert
26 Jack Stewart
27 Rod Langway
28 Lionel Conacher
29 Scott Niedermayer
30 Bill Gadsby
31 Jacques Laperriere
32 Babe Siebert
33 Bill Quackenbush
34 Butch Bouchard
35 Zdeno Chara
36 Eddie Gerard
37 Ching Johnson
38 Guy Lapointe
39 Ken Reardon
40 Mark Howe
41 Rob Blake
42 Marcel Pronovost
43 Ebbie Goodfellow
44 Carl Brewer
45 Babe Pratt
46 Ted Green
47 Fern Flaman
48 Allan Stanley
49 Vladimir Lutchenko
50 Randy Carlyle
51 Phil Housley
52 Jack Crawford
53 Valeri Vasiliev
54 Tom Johnson
55 Doug Wilson
56 Harry Cameron
57 Larry Murphy
58 Art Coulter
59 Leo Boivin
60 Sergei Zubov
61 Tom Anderson
62 J.C. Tremblay
63 Harry Howell
64 Alexander Ragulin
65 Bill White
66 Red Dutton
67 Vladimir Konstantinov
68 Harvey Pulford
69 Hap Day
70 Gary Suter
71 Pat Stapleton
72 Sylvio Mantha
73 George Boucher
74 Sergei Gonchar
75 Dickie Boon
76 Brad McCrimmon
77 Flash Hollett
78 Lennart Svedberg
79 Jan Suchy
80 Joe Simpson
Players from the Top 60 not to appear on this list
Alexei Kasatonov
Moose Johnson
Lester Patrick
Frantisek Pospisil

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Sprague Cleghorn (10)
Hod Stuart* (16)
Ted Green (46)
Jack Crawford (52)
Leo Boivin (59)

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Larry Robinson (15)
Earl Seibert (25)
Mark Howe (40)
Valeri Vasiliev (53)
Sylvio Mantha (72)
Alexei Kasatonov (not listed)

Players unique to this list
Tom Anderson
Dickie Boon

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Round Rank 1 Rank 2 Rank 3 Rank 4 Rank 5 Rank 6 Rank 7 Rank 8 Rank 9 Rank 10
Round 1 None None None None None None None None None None
Round 2 Denis Potvin Leonard "Red" Kelly Viacheslav Fetisov Chris Chelios Larry Robinson Paul Coffey King Clancy Pierre Pilote Brad Park Al MacInnis
Round 3 Park Clancy Coffey Pilote Cleghorn Stevens Horton Pronger MacInnis Seibert
Round 4 Chris Pronger Scott Stevens Earl Seibert Al MacInnis Tim Horton Brian Leetch Borje Salming Bill Gadsby Valeri Vasiliev Serge Savard
Round 5 Gadsby Leetch Salming Vasiliev Langway Savard Quackenbush Lapointe Clapper Stewart
Round 6 Bill Quackenbush Rod Langway Serge Savard Eddie Gerard Mark Howe Marcel Pronovost Guy Lapointe Lionel Conacher Scott Niedermayer Jack Stewart
Round 7 Marcel Pronovost Jack Stewart Lionel Conacher Alexei Kasatonov Guy Lapointe Zdeno Chara JC Tremblay Scott Niedermayer Rob Blake Larry Murphy
Round 8 Hod Stuart Ivan "Ching" Johnson Alexei Kasatonov Zdeno Chara J.C. Tremblay Rob Blake Larry Murphy Georges "Buck" Boucher Jacques Laperriere Ernest "Moose" Johnson
Round 9 Zdeno Chara Ernest "Moose" Johnson Rob Blake Albert "Babe" Siebert Ebbie Goodfellow Larry Murphy Georges "Buck" Boucher Jan Suchy Ken Reardon Carl Brewer
Round 10 Georges "Buck" Boucher Carl Brewer Jan Suchy Albert "Babe" Siebert Fern Flaman Harry Cameron Doug Wilson Larry Murphy Tom Johnson Sylvio Mantha
Round 11 Doug Wilson Art Coulter Lester Patrick Ken Reardon Allan Stanley Harry Cameron Tom Johnson Fern Flaman Sylvio Mantha Pat Stapleton
Round 12 Frantisek Pospisil Mike Grant Harry Cameron Babe Pratt Sylvio Mantha Allan Stanley Fern Flaman Bill White Vladimir Lutchenko Pat Stapleton

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Exactly the kind of "different list" that actually differs in a pretty interesting way.

What's the consensus about Tom Anderson actually? Winger that played a half a season at D and got wrongfully rewarded? Winger that played a season at D and got rightfully rewarded? Or winger that played sporadically at D during his career, got converted to D full time at some point (early or midway) during his Hart season?

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macinnis over robinson? reasoning?

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Cleghorn in the top 10, now that's different!

Was Kasatonov an oversight or viewed as the 5th guy that was made to look better?

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macinnis over robinson? reasoning?
Pretty straightforward -- I overrated MacInnis. You can see from the Round 2 votes that the discussion caused me to move him back a bit. I remember in particular that overpass' special teams stats were an eye-opener.

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Was Kasatonov an oversight or viewed as the 5th guy that was made to look better?
Oversight. I knew going into the project that I had a blind spot for non-NHL Euros. In Kasatonov's case it was even worse because I associate him with his unremarkable NHL career.

It's worth mentioning that my first top-80 list got (rightfully) rejected for lack of non-NHL diversity.

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Interesting to see Ted Green ranked so high. How much weight did you put on his WHA career?

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Interesting to see Ted Green ranked so high. How much weight did you put on his WHA career?
At the time I made my list, I was pretty high on Green. Here's a post I made in the preliminary thread:

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Ted Green - Brought into Boston during their lean years to be an enforcer, he started his career as a defensive specialist and developed into one of the league's best scoring defensemen. During a 5-season span in the late 60's, he was the 3rd-highest scoring blueliner in the league behind Pilote and Stapleton. And he did that while also leading the league in PIM as Boston's tough guy. Green was good enough at both ends that he was used as a forward on the PK, essentially giving the Bruins a 3rd defenseman who could also threaten to score. Unfortunately his career is somewhat overlooked due to a) being remembered primarily for his stickfight with Wayne Maki b) getting completely overshadowed by young Bobby Orr like every other defenseman c) jumping ship to the WHA when it started up. He was one of the best defensemen in the WHA during its more promising years, captaining the Whalers to the league's first championship and leading the league in goals by a defenseman.
The WHA is a tough nut to crack. The way I see it, an "elite" performance in the WHA translates to a similar performance in the NHL. I think Green's performance there is sufficient to work to his advantage, particularly the leadership component.


In retrospect I shouldn't have ranked him quite so high, but I do wish he had come up for consideration.
He'd have made an interesting comparable with Stapleton and White. He's one of those guys who gets lost in the shuffle when we focus on awards and Cups.

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At the time I made my list, I was pretty high on Green. Here's a post I made in the preliminary thread:



The WHA is a tough nut to crack. The way I see it, an "elite" performance in the WHA translates to a similar performance in the NHL. I think Green's performance there is sufficient to work to his advantage, particularly the leadership component.


In retrospect I shouldn't have ranked him quite so high, but I do wish he had come up for consideration.
He'd have made an interesting comparable with Stapleton and White. He's one of those guys who gets lost in the shuffle when we focus on awards and Cups.
There's just no room. Jim Neilson was better, and I couldn't even get him into my top-80, or close to it.

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