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We're going to make it to 10 threads on this, aren't we?

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Monday @ 3pm EST or when a deal is confirmed.

....then we'll talk about the deal for a month or two or more maybe.

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We're going to make it to 10 threads on this, aren't we?
At this pace? Yes we are.

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Yup Nash or no Nash, I'm just ready for this to be over. Not to mention its murdering my productivity at work lol.

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I'd settle for


Wolski + Eminger + Thomas + 12' 1st & 13' 1st
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Nash & 13' 2nd.

No Krieder, No Dubinsky, No Del Zotto No McDonagh.

Dubinsky still has a role to play on this team. When, not if, we run into cap trouble and Dubinsky is still playing like crap (in terms of numbers), then we dump his ass. If we get Nash, this is the year we chase the cup & Dubinsky will have to play a part in that.

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I'd settle for


Wolski + Eminger + Thomas + 12' 1st & 13' 1st
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Nash & 13' 2nd.

No Krieder, No Dubinsky, No Del Zotto No McDonagh.

Dubinsky still has a role to play on this team. When, not if, we run into cap trouble and Dubinsky is still playing like crap (in terms of numbers), then we dump his ass. If we get Nash, this is the year we chase the cup & Dubinsky will have to play a part in that.
Why would Columbus ever make that trade?

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I'd settle for


Wolski + Eminger + Thomas + 12' 1st & 13' 1st
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Nash & 13' 2nd.

No Krieder, No Dubinsky, No Del Zotto No McDonagh.

Dubinsky still has a role to play on this team. When, not if, we run into cap trouble and Dubinsky is still playing like crap (in terms of numbers), then we dump his ass. If we get Nash, this is the year we chase the cup & Dubinsky will have to play a part in that.
So basically Thomas and two 1sts. Not sure that's going to help Columbus much...for several years at least. Nash is a very good player, but he's still not worth 7.8M.

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I'd settle for


Wolski + Eminger + Thomas + 12' 1st & 13' 1st
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Nash & 13' 2nd.

No Krieder, No Dubinsky, No Del Zotto No McDonagh.

Dubinsky still has a role to play on this team. When, not if, we run into cap trouble and Dubinsky is still playing like crap (in terms of numbers), then we dump his ass. If we get Nash, this is the year we chase the cup & Dubinsky will have to play a part in that.

Like i've said prior, Columbus is looking for good young NHL level players to build up with Johansen and Yakupov. In essence, take Nash and Carter's returns to turn them into a version of the Oilers.

That is why they so badly want the Schenn, Couturier, JVR package from the Flyers and that is why they want McD, MDZ from the Rangers. Those players fall into their category of what they want.

The package you offered would probably kill any future potential trades between the two franchises. Its like offering Rozsival, Dubinsky and a second for Eric Staal.

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Again though, those teams were not like the 93-94 teams. The teams later were just all FA's who were past their primes. That was a garbage way to try to win a cup. We had no youth, no hungry players, no nothing.

We acutally have a great core again like in the early 90s. All we had to do then was add a missing peice or two.
It is very possible that a few different bounces, we dont win that Cup. It just so happened that it worked in 94, didn't work every year after that. I'd rather not have it work ( or barely miss out on the cup) and have to go through another stretch of constant frustration. I think that's what everyone is scared of who's making this argument.

There's three things that actually are guaranteed in all of this, if it happens. NYR get an offensively talented player, they lose highly regarded prospect(s), Nash's contract limits what we can do financially in the future in some aspect at least. Everything else is a crap shoot

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I'd settle for


Wolski + Eminger + Thomas + 12' 1st & 13' 1st
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Nash & 13' 2nd.

No Krieder, No Dubinsky, No Del Zotto No McDonagh.

Dubinsky still has a role to play on this team. When, not if, we run into cap trouble and Dubinsky is still playing like crap (in terms of numbers), then we dump his ass. If we get Nash, this is the year we chase the cup & Dubinsky will have to play a part in that.
Why don't you throw in Redden, Bickel and Avery just to be a good sport.

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Call up Yzerman. What do you want for St. Louis? One of Dubinsky/Anisimov--one of McIlrath/Erixon--2012 1st rd. That should be enough. We get a better cap hit and not this 7 year term. We get a proven winner who's already won for the coach we have now. I think he's got more game than Nash as well.

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I'd settle for


Wolski + Eminger + Thomas + 12' 1st & 13' 1st
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Nash & 13' 2nd.

No Krieder, No Dubinsky, No Del Zotto No McDonagh.

Dubinsky still has a role to play on this team. When, not if, we run into cap trouble and Dubinsky is still playing like crap (in terms of numbers), then we dump his ass. If we get Nash, this is the year we chase the cup & Dubinsky will have to play a part in that.
For the cap hit, I don't think there's been a worse Ranger on the team this year than Dubinsky. There I said it. If you don't even want to part with Dubinsky, then you don't seriously want this trade.

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For what he is doing right now, Dubi is being overpaid by 2 million at least.

I'm sure people would agree that Nash is maybe overpaid by 1 million or so. Do the math, guys.

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The math is that this is the first year Dubinsky has regressed rather than improved. 24-30-54 last year.

If we are adding him just as a salary dump in this deal... I mean.

Players have down years. Friggin Tony Amonte had one down year productionwise, we dealt him and he was a 30-40 goal scorer for the next 6 years.

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For what he is doing right now, Dubi is being overpaid by 2 million at least.

I'm sure people would agree that Nash is maybe overpaid by 1 million or so. Do the math, guys.
Dubi only counts against the cap. Nash, counts against the cap (at in inflated rate relative to his production) as well as costing significant assets. I've done the math and it's pretty clear we should steer clear. If we have an issue with Dubinsky not being worth his contract we can deal him quite easily should the need arise. The best solution to a problem is not to create another problem. lol

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Wolski is easily the worst Ranger in terms of cap hit. $3.8 million for a healthy scratch.

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Dubi only counts against the cap. Nash, counts against the cap (at in inflated rate relative to his production) as well as costing significant assets. I've done the math and it's pretty clear we should steer clear. If we have an issue with Dubinsky not being worth his contract we can deal him quite easily should the need arise.
Dubi's cap hit+WW's cap hit=Nash's cap hit.

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For what he is doing right now, Dubi is being overpaid by 2 million at least.

I'm sure people would agree that Nash is maybe overpaid by 1 million or so. Do the math, guys.
Perhaps the real reason for the pursuit of Nash is the desire to dump Dubi's contract?

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Dubi's cap hit+WW's cap hit=Nash's cap hit.
Why do people keep bringing this up? WW has nothing to do with anything. He's done as a Ranger as soon as his contract is up...if not sooner. His space can be used for any player. It doesn't have to be spent on Nash. And personally I'd rather just use it on a 5M player who scores 25-30 goals every year who will cost far less in assets and provide for greater cap flexibility. We don't need another overpriced superstar. They are almost never worth their cost anyway.

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Why do people keep bringing this up? WW has nothing to do with anything. He's done as a Ranger as soon as his contract is up...if not sooner. His space can be used for any player. It doesn't have to be spent on Nash. And personally I'd rather just use it on a 5M player who scores 25-30 goals every year who will cost far less in assets and provide for greater cap flexibility. We don't need another overpriced superstar. They are almost never worth their cost anyway.
If Bobby Ryan becomes available, I take him over Nash any day, if that's what you mean.

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why do people keep bringing this up? Ww has nothing to do with anything. He's done as a ranger as soon as his contract is up...if not sooner. His space can be used for any player. It doesn't have to be spent on nash. And personally i'd rather just use it on a 5m player who scores 25-30 goals every year who will cost far less in assets and provide for greater cap flexibility. We don't need another overpriced superstar. They are almost never worth their cost anyway.
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Dubi's cap hit+WW's cap hit=Nash's cap hit.
This year. Next year we'd be increasing our cap commitment by 3.6 mil without adding any players. No one knows what the cap will be next year, but don't be surprised if it goes down.

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Why do people keep bringing this up? WW has nothing to do with anything. He's done as a Ranger as soon as his contract is up...if not sooner. His space can be used for any player. It doesn't have to be spent on Nash. And personally I'd rather just use it on a 5M player who scores 25-30 goals every year who will cost far less in assets and provide for greater cap flexibility. We don't need another overpriced superstar. They are almost never worth their cost anyway.
I've noticed a lot of people bringing that up as well. I'm not sure if they are playing dumb, are under the mentality that Nash is a rental with an expiring contract, or are just plain clueless. Fitting in Nash isn't an issue for this season. It's down the road when our RFAs are due for raises when it becomes a concern.

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I've noticed a lot of people bringing that up as well. I'm not sure if they are playing dumb, are under the mentality that Nash is a rental with an expiring contract, or are just plain clueless. Fitting in Nash isn't an issue for this season. It's down the road when our RFAs are due for raises when it becomes a concern.
I've seen a lot of that, as well as "I'll worry about 2014 in 2014" I hope to god people don't run their personal finances that way.

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