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02-22-2012, 02:02 PM
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You don't win playoff series with guys like Kaberle unless he's surrounded by the toughest players in the league. And even then, he's a passenger.
Hard to win a playoff series when you are 14th in the east.

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PS as pointed out by MasterDecoy: Moen is 29 years old... is that what you call old? The guy is in his prime!
That isn't prime for a bottom 6 player. Bottom 6 players don't have long careers like finesse players do.

Also the average age and prime for players went down after the lockout. He's close to being washed up, in 3 years he will be.

He was in his prime when he was in Anaheim.

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That isn't prime for a bottom 6 player. Bottom 6 players don't have long careers like finesse players do.

Also the average age and prime for players went down after the lockout. He's close to being washed up, in 3 years he will be.

He was in his prime when he was in Anaheim.
I know it's just a couple teams but Boston has Thornton at 34, Detroit has Draper at 39 Holmstrom at 39 etc there are lots of depth/role players at 35 or above. I don;t see where guys like that would be past their prime at 32.

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reading the op, i can't help but think: so?

but seriously yes, they should re-sign him unless a too good an offer to refuse comes up. make his job easier by signing better supporting cast for the 4th line

i wouldn't see a problem giving him roughly the same deal talbot got
I would. Talking pots about 15 goal on a regular basis. Moen has one season over 10.

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02-22-2012, 03:06 PM
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we already have 2 2nd rounders for this year and next.
The more the better. The more we give chances to Timmins, the more likely it is for us to hit a home-run ala Subban.

Is it better to have 3 2nd rounders, or 2?

Travis Moen is replaceable, if not from the UFA market, give ice time to some young players. We won't be contenders for the cup next season, even if we do squeak into the playoffs the way we've been doing since the lock-out.


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02-22-2012, 03:07 PM
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I would. Talking pots about 15 goal on a regular basis. Moen has one season over 10.
I have no problem with the Talbot deal except the 5 years. 3 years max

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02-22-2012, 03:08 PM
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@Felix60

Moen is replaceable, but having quality veterans helps the young players develop and shows them the right way to be a pro on and off the ice.

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02-22-2012, 03:17 PM
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Moen is replaceable, but having quality veterans helps the young players develop and shows them the right way to be a pro on and off the ice.
Of course, but if we can get a 2nd rounder for him, or a deal ala Gill, I say go for it. We're not in a position where it would be smart to hang on role players. We need to build from solid pieces that will help us going all the way in the future, and this happens through the draft nowadays.

You may even be able to bring back Moen at the end of the year, for all we know.

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02-22-2012, 03:35 PM
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I'd sign Moen

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Of course, but if we can get a 2nd rounder for him, or a deal ala Gill, I say go for it. We're not in a position where it would be smart to hang on role players. We need to build from solid pieces that will help us going all the way in the future, and this happens through the draft nowadays.

You may even be able to bring back Moen at the end of the year, for all we know.
But we still need a vet like moen to lead the bottom 6 especially if we are refilling it through the draft. He's not quite a 2-way player but he can play a bit and his defense and grit alone is worth keeping around. We have other things we can move for picks, but it could be hard to find a player as versatile for as cheap as Moen. To be fair though, I'm assuming Moen will stay under 2M, but I may be wrong. Am I wrong? Haha.

I do like the fact that if we do deal Moen, we will get a solid return, but I think its better for the team to keep him around. It's still win-win.

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if he's not traded this week, he'd better be re-signed.


ideal would have been to trade him, while making it very clear we want him back in the summer, but failing that, locking him up for another 2-3 years works for me.

almost "perfect" bottom-6 player, and as long as his next contract comes in at <2M$/season, a good value.


after moving Gill, nothing wrong with choosing to hang on to a well-liked veteran with a great attitude.

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We have no cap issues as long as Gomez gets traded/waived.
Kaberle??

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Kaberle??
we'll have about 30 mil to spend after dumping Gomez, only RFA's to sign are Price Subban plus guys that won't get big money in Diaz Emelin White Eller Blunden Palushaj. That will leave 15 mil if we want to sign 3-5 UFA's.

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we'll have about 30 mil to spend after dumping Gomez, only RFA's to sign are Price Subban plus guys that won't get big money in Diaz Emelin White Eller Blunden Palushaj. That will leave 15 mil if we want to sign 3-5 UFA's.
Frederic St-Denis would be just as effective as Kaberle and a hell of a lot cheaper. The money being wasted on Kaberle ($4 million +) could have been a big help for this club in the offseason getting UFA's who are worth that much money.

Gauthier panicked and reacted badly.

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Frederic St-Denis would be just as effective as Kaberle and a hell of a lot cheaper. The money being wasted on Kaberle ($4 million +) could have been a big help for this club in the offseason getting UFA's who are worth that much money.

Gauthier panicked and reacted badly.
Yeah cause we have guys in the AHL capable of 45-50 points

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02-22-2012, 07:41 PM
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Frederic St-Denis would be just as effective as Kaberle and a hell of a lot cheaper. The money being wasted on Kaberle ($4 million +) could have been a big help for this club in the offseason getting UFA's who are worth that much money.

Gauthier panicked and reacted badly.
He badly needed a PP specialist. Back then the team was still playing fopr .500, and had chances to do better.

Gauthier panicked really badly by firing Martin.

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Yeah cause we have guys in the AHL capable of 45-50 points

And Kaberle is working out how? You are one of the few people who believe that Kaberle is what this team needs.

But then again, I still believe Pierre compensates you somehow for your posts here.

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02-22-2012, 11:01 PM
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We miss Moen and Gill right now.

Anyways, get rid of dead weight... play Shultz, Geoffrion, Leblanc and tons of Eller, Diaz and Emelin and ride the season out.

#%*&# it

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I have no problem with the Talbot deal except the 5 years. 3 years max
oops! for some reason i thought talbot's deal was cheaper than it is, and shorter than it is. second time i do this too

what i meant to say was: something like 1.5 million for 3 years. oh well...

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And Kaberle is working out how? You are one of the few people who believe that Kaberle is what this team needs.

But then again, I still believe Pierre compensates you somehow for your posts here.
in all fairness Kabarle's point production since joining the habs is near 50points over a season.

The biggest problem with Kabarle is the salary. If he made 2M$ i dont think it would be as bad. At 2M$, he's not a bad #6 provided that the #5 infront of him are very good.

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What Gorges is saying is so true. When/if we eventually get a team that can compete for the Cup, we will need EXACTLY the type of guy Moen is. It's almost like Price, Subban and "the futures". They will continue to be guys who you will win a Cup with, but on a team that is not ready to win the cup, yet we keep them cuz when the time comes...

same with Moen. We should really re-sign him and a good point was brought up about how much we pay Campoli. Good god, can we please pay Moen at least that and get rid of the worst thing to ever happen to Ryan Malone's shoulder?

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My 2 cents..

How often do you hear politically correct players like Gorges play ''arm chair quarterback''?

Gorges has some inside knowledge that Moen is staying -- he is far too PC and ''safe'' to go around management and give an opinion on record like this of what he thinks Gauthier should do.

The only reason I feel Gorges would offer this opinion is because behind the doors there's an understanding and agreement in place that Moen will be signed.

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02-23-2012, 09:43 AM
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I like Moen, and his style of play. Most players in this league respect him as well, and that's something that's hard to develop.

He's a keeper IMO...

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what's up with Moen....I can't believe we wouldn't consider trading this guy

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what's up with Moen....I can't believe we wouldn't consider trading this guy
Where else do you find a guy who can score, kill penalties, be a great team player, leader, playoff experience and a stanley cup who wants to stay in Montreal ? Not only that, be he can fight and will defend a teammate unlike most of the players who shy away from their own shadow.

How many players openly want to stay here ?

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