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02-21-2012, 11:02 PM
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was tough to watch.
I had already read a lot about the quality of air travel in Russia, truly disgusting how they treat their players there.
Goes to show you what it's like in Russia.
Even a current player was too afraid to show his identity on camera.

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I know its a very touchy subject but the KHL official's explanations in that piece came off as "it's not our fault"

The piece implied that Cheraponev had no clue what they were giving him. Is this accurate?

You guys got cheated out of something great by those evil people.
Not 100% sure. It would be ridiculous if he didn't know though. All I could find is this:

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A report by the Investigative Committee stated that “It is impossible to determine how and with what aim this medicine was administered.” The same report also revealed that Cherepanov was not doping but was instead using cordiaminum probably used to treat his condition.

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I saw it. Cherepanov had a heart condition. He wouldn't have played in the NHL. How many players with heart conditions play pro sports? The Omsk team doctors were pumping Cherepanov with stimulants. How did the NHL combine doctors miss the heart condition? Do they check for that? Did the drugs hide the heart condition? How did the Rangers medical staff miss it? After they selected him,Cherepanov did participate in the Rangers prospects camp in 2007. Don't they drug test? Give players physicals. Do they drug test after the WJC games? The IIHF doesn't have a drug testing policy.

No wonder why the Rangers have shied away from the Russian players.

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Watched it, was absolutely devastating but I had known all the facts before hand...Obviously watching Salei's family was new information and gut-wrenching. But like others have said she is putting on a good face.

I was also very surprised how open the KHL exec (forget his name) was...

Such a sad story, but it's good that all this information is out there an dhopefully a disaster like the plane crash can be avoided in the future.

RIP Cherepanov
RIP Lokomotiv

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02-22-2012, 08:07 AM
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Not 100% sure. It would be ridiculous if he didn't know though. All I could find is this:
Thanks! My initial thought was he had to know.

As for players playing with heart conditions, it depends on the type and they are watched like a hawk. Most with mild conditions can play as long as the proper precautions are taken.

Also, yes team physicians do catch these conditions. Gerald Green of the Celtics underwent heart surgery after his team physical this year. He will be playing next season.

Pure speculation on my part but based on what has surfaced from Cheraponov's death, the team doctors weren't skilled enough to diagnose and treat this condition properly.

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Yeah she will if not she better lawyer up and get what's due
She won't get **** in Russia. Their civil laws are CRAZY.

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Hope this is online or on demand soon...sounds like a must see.

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I'm interested ... Hard to understand why the players that aren't Russian would want to go over there with such poor safety precautions
More money than they can make in other leagues would eb my guess.

If I was a fringe NHL'er but more like an AHL'er, I'd probably go to the KHL as well.

Make a few hundred thousand as opposed ot less than a hundres grand in the minors?

Yeah, safety issues and all, I'm going.

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02-22-2012, 11:22 AM
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She won't get **** in Russia. Their civil laws are CRAZY.
She's in Cali if she finds a lawyer good enough shell get her $

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Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy - Not sure that Cherry should have been playing the game at all.

Additionally, once detected (if he didn't die) he probably would have had to retire from playing the game.

Part of treating this disorder is lifestyle changes such as:

Exercise. Your doctor will discuss exercise guidelines with you. Most people with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy are able to participate in noncompetitive aerobic activities. Heavy weight lifting and many high-intensity sports are not recommended.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/...m/default.aspx

By the sounds of it, Cherry would have never made an impact for the Rangers regardless if he lived.

Very sad that he passed away.

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She's in Cali if she finds a lawyer good enough shell get her $
How does her living in California have anything to do with the Laws in Russia?

She can sue here, get awarded a default judgement cause they are not going to show up and then what"

How do you execute your judgement on a foreign entity?

Think Russia is going to acknowledge the US Courts?

Unfortunately they are gonna get bupkiss

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She's in Cali if she finds a lawyer good enough shell get her $
From who? That's not the USA's jurisdiction. Why wouldn't she hire a lawyer who can practice Russian law? American lawyers can't do that. If people could open foreign civil cases in America, then we'd see a lot more money changing hands. Russia is the only place where this can go through the courts. You don't hire a California attorney to do a civil case in Russia. That doesn't make any sense. only way you could was if the KHL or the airline they were using were American... and they weren't. They were Russian. She won't get any money. It's not like America over there where you can sue people for whatever you want. People die, planes crash. **** happens. Best thing to do is move on.

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From who? That's not the USA's jurisdiction. Why wouldn't she hire a lawyer who can practice Russian law? American lawyers can't do that. If people could open foreign civil cases in America, then we'd see a lot more money changing hands. Russia is the only place where this can go through the courts. You don't hire a California attorney to do a civil case in Russia. That doesn't make any sense. only way you could was if the KHL or the airline they were using were American... and they weren't. They were Russian. She won't get any money. It's not like America over there where you can sue people for whatever you want. People die, planes crash. **** happens. Best thing to do is move on.
If there can indeed be any good news about this at all, the Anaheim Ducks and Ducks players have embraced the Salei family following the death of Ruslan. The Ducks honored him before a game, and the family is regularly seen around the rink and by a good number of the current Duck players. The Ducks and their families are committed to taking care of the Salei family. Something that does not get press, but an indication of how community minded the owners are (Samueli family) and the current and former Duck players.

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Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy - Not sure that Cherry should have been playing the game at all.

Additionally, once detected (if he didn't die) he probably would have had to retire from playing the game.

Part of treating this disorder is lifestyle changes such as:

Exercise. Your doctor will discuss exercise guidelines with you. Most people with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy are able to participate in noncompetitive aerobic activities. Heavy weight lifting and many high-intensity sports are not recommended.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/...m/default.aspx

By the sounds of it, Cherry would have never made an impact for the Rangers regardless if he lived.

Very sad that he passed away.
Once I heard this diagnosis, it clarified the charges from some pre-draft that Cherepanov was lazy. He would never have had the capacity of most NHLers to compete with this condition.

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Once I heard this diagnosis, it clarified the charges from some pre-draft that Cherepanov was lazy. He would never have had the capacity of most NHLers to compete with this condition.
What NHLer is going to be able to compete with his condition?

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will upload the segment(s) online later...
Any update? We are very hopeful in seeing this segment. Thanks for all your work.

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More money than they can make in other leagues would eb my guess.

If I was a fringe NHL'er but more like an AHL'er, I'd probably go to the KHL as well.

Make a few hundred thousand as opposed ot less than a hundres grand in the minors?

Yeah, safety issues and all, I'm going.
This is absolutely correct, and I agree, I would do it too.

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Really sad to think that this could have been avoided. I feel so bad for the families, and especially Rusty's wife because he was going to retire after this season

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Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy - Not sure that Cherry should have been playing the game at all.

Additionally, once detected (if he didn't die) he probably would have had to retire from playing the game.

Part of treating this disorder is lifestyle changes such as:

Exercise. Your doctor will discuss exercise guidelines with you. Most people with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy are able to participate in noncompetitive aerobic activities. Heavy weight lifting and many high-intensity sports are not recommended.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/...m/default.aspx

By the sounds of it, Cherry would have never made an impact for the Rangers regardless if he lived.

Very sad that he passed away.
This condition could have laid dormant throughout his whole life. The fact that the team doctors were pumping him up with stimulants was a contributing factor in his death. There are a lot of athletes in all age ranges that have this and it never effected them. A kid on my Bantam team had it and when he started having chest pains they found it. For all we know, he could have came to NY and played his whole career without issue. Just a terrible tragedy

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Just awful.

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