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11-11-2003, 04:46 PM
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So... for all you guys that don't think....

That this team will miss Marchant, tonight was an excellent example of how much we miss his faceoff winnings and PK expertise. Bruins went 3/4 on the PP, dominated in the faceoff circle, and won by one goal. Oilers eliminate just one PP goal, and they have a tie... two, we win. I can't remember when the Oilers were so terrible on the PK. We are like 27th in the league (worse after tonight) when we were always in the top 15. The only change is that Marchant is gone. I know, I know.. all you guys don't want to admit it, but Marchant was a great player for us. Last years offensive stats were an anomale, I have heard in various circles. Marchant was never given the chance to play the PP, or on the first line. He was a team player, and played his role as shadow, and PK guy. I am telling you, not only was he capable of good offensive numbers year in and out, he is the first line center we need right now. If KLowe knew that Comrie was going to hold out and demand a trade, he screwed up not signing Marchant. Marchant isn't making that much more than Comrie would be, but from what I hear, Lowe never even made the call to Marchant's agent to make an offer. BRUTAL!!! This team could use Marchant right now, especially in the faceoff circle, and the fact of the matter is, we miss his skill on the PK. Its pretty bad when ya have to average five goals a game to win.

 
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to be honest we have Reasoner who has taken over Marchant's role and has showed much more chemistry with the other players on the ice, he should be getting PP time. Further to that I'm sure in the back of Lowe's head he wanted some of Torres, Rita, Chimera and Stoll to get good playing time here considering that at the trade deadline we moved two d-men and a forward and replaced them with 3 forwards.

So yes point taken Marchant was EXCELLENT in the faceoffs one of the league's best and certainly would have been great alongside Marty Reasoner but this would have taken development time away from the players mentioned which is probably what motivated Lowe in not to sign him. (just taking a guess there)

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That this team will miss Marchant, tonight was an excellent example of how much we miss his faceoff winnings and PK expertise. Bruins went 3/4 on the PP, dominated in the faceoff circle, and won by one goal. Oilers eliminate just one PP goal, and they have a tie... two, we win. I can't remember when the Oilers were so terrible on the PK. We are like 27th in the league (worse after tonight) when we were always in the top 15. The only change is that Marchant is gone. I know, I know.. all you guys don't want to admit it, but Marchant was a great player for us. Last years offensive stats were an anomale, I have heard in various circles. Marchant was never given the chance to play the PP, or on the first line. He was a team player, and played his role as shadow, and PK guy. I am telling you, not only was he capable of good offensive numbers year in and out, he is the first line center we need right now. If KLowe knew that Comrie was going to hold out and demand a trade, he screwed up not signing Marchant. Marchant isn't making that much more than Comrie would be, but from what I hear, Lowe never even made the call to Marchant's agent to make an offer. BRUTAL!!! This team could use Marchant right now, especially in the faceoff circle, and the fact of the matter is, we miss his skill on the PK. Its pretty bad when ya have to average five goals a game to win.
Many of us commented that we would miss him on the Pk and the faceoff.

Offensive production has not been a problem for the Oilers this year.

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11-11-2003, 05:38 PM
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The Oilers don't miss Marchant - they miss Reasoner. He has filled in as good or better than Marchant ever was on pk and has been the most consistent player this year. The Oilers were playing a Bruins team that is big, fast, talented, and full of skill. Edmonton was without their 3rd line centerman and defensive specialist, their big body presence in Laraque (even though he has been aweful this year a big body may have worn down guys like Gill, Boynton, etc), Isbister who has been effectiove and who has size, and their #1 goalie who even though has been ripped of late is still the #1 guy. They didn't even play that good to boot yet they hung in and almost stole points after being down 4-1 in game 2 of a back to back. Relax it has been worse.

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to be honest we have Reasoner who has taken over Marchant's role and has showed much more chemistry with the other players on the ice, he should be getting PP time. Further to that I'm sure in the back of Lowe's head he wanted some of Torres, Rita, Chimera and Stoll to get good playing time here considering that at the trade deadline we moved two d-men and a forward and replaced them with 3 forwards.

So yes point taken Marchant was EXCELLENT in the faceoffs one of the league's best and certainly would have been great alongside Marty Reasoner but this would have taken development time away from the players mentioned which is probably what motivated Lowe in not to sign him. (just taking a guess there)

If Reasoner is so great on the pk, and on faceoffs, why are the Oilers so terrible at winning faceoffs and killing penalties? Reasoner may be good one day, but he is no where near Marchant right now, and with Comrie out, we don't have what one would call an even average center. We are getting beat down the middle, BADLY.... didn't you see the example of that tonight vs Thornton??? God.. the Bruins DOMINATED us on the pp, and Thornton only lost like two faceoffs all night.

 
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If Reasoner is so great on the pk, and on faceoffs, why are the Oilers so terrible at winning faceoffs and killing penalties? Reasoner may be good one day, but he is no where near Marchant right now, and with Comrie out, we don't have what one would call an even average center. We are getting beat down the middle, BADLY.... didn't you see the example of that tonight vs Thornton??? God.. the Bruins DOMINATED us on the pp, and Thornton only lost like two faceoffs all night.
And what would Todd Marchant do against Joe Thornton? Thornton is as talented a big man as their is who had an excellent night. Not to mention he is playing with Knuble and Murray all well over 6'2 and 225 pounds. Marchant would have been just as average. The problem is Thornton is a superstar and the Oilers don't have one. The faceoffs were awefull because of inexperience and injuries - not because Marchant signed with Columbus. How could the Oilers have avoided this situation anyways it wasn't like they traded him.

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Modano is a great offensive talent, not as physical, but more skilled than Thornton, and Marchant held him to two points in the 2002 playoff series vs Dallas. Don't you think he could shut down Thornton most of the night? I do.. even if he couldn't, I know he would win his share of draws against him, especially in our own end, and on the PK.

 
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Yeah, Belcriss...you are probably right.

We should probably deal Comrie to CBS to get Marchant back

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I doubt that CBJ would make that trade. We had the opportunity to keep one of these guys, which is my whole point. IF LOWE KNEW THAT COMRIE WAS GOING TO HOLDOUT/DEMAND TRADE, WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE AN OFFER TO MARCHANT???? Do I need to make it any clearer?? This team is suffering badly down the middle, and Marchant and or Comrie would have alleviated that somewhat, especially on faceoffs.

 
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I doubt that CBJ would make that trade. We had the opportunity to keep one of these guys, which is my whole point. IF LOWE KNEW THAT COMRIE WAS GOING TO HOLDOUT/DEMAND TRADE, WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE AN OFFER TO MARCHANT???? Do I need to make it any clearer?? This team is suffering badly down the middle, and Marchant and or Comrie would have alleviated that somewhat, especially on faceoffs.
How would have Lowe known this two years ago? That is when he made the offer that was below league average.

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I doubt that CBJ would make that trade. We had the opportunity to keep one of these guys, which is my whole point. IF LOWE KNEW THAT COMRIE WAS GOING TO HOLDOUT/DEMAND TRADE, WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE AN OFFER TO MARCHANT???? Do I need to make it any clearer?? This team is suffering badly down the middle, and Marchant and or Comrie would have alleviated that somewhat, especially on faceoffs.
Because the Oilers can't afford 4 million for a plug checker to win faceoffs when they have guys who fit that bill and had an off night while one was injured. Stoll is as smart a player and is developing and we all have seen Reasoners improvements. Marchant left - Edmonton had no chance to resign especially for those numbers. Marchant is the Marty Lapoint of this year. A good reliable guy who cashed in on a lottery because of 1 offensive season because of only injuries and opportunity on a club that had no offensive depth. Good for him but it is impossible to regret anything with this situation.

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I am talking about Lowe not even talking to Marchant's agent this past summer/spring. Marchant told a Columbus radio station that Lowe never offered him anything, nor had any contact with his agent. Two years ago has nothing to do with what I am talking about... god, did I stutter in my original post???

 
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Because the Oilers can't afford 4 million for a plug checker to win faceoffs when they have guys who fit that bill and had an off night while one was injured. Stoll is as smart a player and is developing and we all have seen Reasoners improvements. Marchant left - Edmonton had no chance to resign especially for those numbers. Marchant is the Marty Lapoint of this year. A good reliable guy who cashed in on a lottery because of 1 offensive season because of only injuries and opportunity on a club that had no offensive depth. Good for him but it is impossible to regret anything with this situation.

How much can two or three playoff games bring in revenue?? Add in hat were not paying Comrie one red cent? Can't afford Marchant? Hell, we could have doubled his four million and come out ahead. Factor in the tv money, and sold out Skyreach for at least two playoff games, if not three, and your ahead of the game. As this team goes right now, having to average four goals a game to tie, or win, were not getting to the big dance after April first. FORRREEEEEE!!! IS ALL RYAN AND COMPANY WILL BE SAYING if the season continues the way it is.

 
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IMO when Reasoner gets back we're going to be VERY set up the middle. I wouldn't be suprised to see Stoll remain on the third line, and continually improve more and more and more. He can and will eventually settle into the checking roll, and I think his play on the PK is better then average. But once we get Reasoner back in I'd like to see one of Stoll or reasoner center Smyth and Hemsky. Provide that defensive presence on that line and still be able to play smart defensively. The way I see it when we are healthy again we'll have this:
Smyth-Reasoner-Hemksy
Torres-York-Dvorak
Moreau-Stoll-Pisani
Isbister-Horcoff-Salmo

I think we can and should trade Laraque as we haven't missed him at all and his value is high.

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I am talking about Lowe not even talking to Marchant's agent this past summer/spring. Marchant told a Columbus radio station that Lowe never offered him anything, nor had any contact with his agent. Two years ago has nothing to do with what I am talking about... god, did I stutter in my original post???
If I would have been Lowe, I wouldn't have offered Marchant a contract either. Look at this from Lowe's perspective this summer. He has Reasoner, Horcoff, and Stoll fighting for the 3 or 4 centre positions. He's got Mike York as his second line centre and Comrie as #1. Where does Marchant fit in. I agree totally that Marchant would have made a difference tonight and if Lowe would have known Comrie was going to be a spoiled rich kid in June, then maybe he would have tried to sign Marchant. Looking back it is always easy to see what should have been done, but I for one, probably would have followed the same path as Lowe. Saying that, I dearly wish the Oilers had Marchant right now. (but not a 4 million/year)

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I think we can and should trade Laraque as we haven't missed him at all and his value is high.
Agree 100%, he could faciliate a good return. I really think having an enforcer is overrated in today's NHL anyway.

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If I would have been Lowe, I wouldn't have offered Marchant a contract either.
I was a Marchant fan last year as I felt he made a significant difference when people like Smyth, Comrie and York were out. Having said that I liked what Brian Burk said even more - paraphasing "you have to be nuts to pay a 3rd line checking centre $3M."

 
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How much can two or three playoff games bring in revenue?? Add in hat were not paying Comrie one red cent? Can't afford Marchant? Hell, we could have doubled his four million and come out ahead. Factor in the tv money, and sold out Skyreach for at least two playoff games, if not three, and your ahead of the game. As this team goes right now, having to average four goals a game to tie, or win, were not getting to the big dance after April first. FORRREEEEEE!!! IS ALL RYAN AND COMPANY WILL BE SAYING if the season continues the way it is.
Right thats why the Oilers made all those millions last year after the playoff run. Marchant isn't worth 4 he isn't even worth 3. I would be willing to bet this years edition does better than last years even with the inconsistent start and without MC and Marchant.

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I am talking about Lowe not even talking to Marchant's agent this past summer/spring. Marchant told a Columbus radio station that Lowe never offered him anything, nor had any contact with his agent. Two years ago has nothing to do with what I am talking about... god, did I stutter in my original post???
Doug Weight was dissapointed the Oilers never offered at him when he left but they new any contract offer would have been an insult. Edmonton couldn't afford 8 for Weight and they certainly wouldn't pay 4 for Marchant. He had 1 good year and many solid years. He is a good third liner.

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IMO when Reasoner gets back we're going to be VERY set up the middle. I wouldn't be suprised to see Stoll remain on the third line, and continually improve more and more and more. He can and will eventually settle into the checking roll, and I think his play on the PK is better then average. But once we get Reasoner back in I'd like to see one of Stoll or reasoner center Smyth and Hemsky. Provide that defensive presence on that line and still be able to play smart defensively. The way I see it when we are healthy again we'll have this:
Smyth-Reasoner-Hemksy
Torres-York-Dvorak
Moreau-Stoll-Pisani
Isbister-Horcoff-Salmo

I think we can and should trade Laraque as we haven't missed him at all and his value is high.
FINALLY someone else puts Reasoner in between Smyth and Hemsky, something which I've been going on about! Thanks thome you made me happy

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FINALLY someone else puts Reasoner in between Smyth and Hemsky, something which I've been going on about! Thanks thome you made me happy
sing it brother!!!

i've been preaching this since pre-season. if stoll can keep up his play with moreau and pisani then it frees marty up for top line duties. adding defence and "decent" hands to smyth and hemsky is nothing but smart.

of course, marty is likely gone for two months now and macT seems to think clearcoff has talent so this will likely never happen.

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