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02-23-2012, 02:52 AM
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Alright, this is maybe the hardest pick I have EVER made in any ATD..but I decided I need a big net presence to help on the PP, and therefore will take a guy who was apart of the Triple Crown Line. He scored 50+ goals twice and added a 40+ once as well before injuries got the best of him. Regardless, he is a two-time first all-star team selection and will be in a nice role..

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02-23-2012, 02:57 AM
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Thrashers select Michael Babcock Jr., coach

The most successful coach from Bowman's coaching tree.

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Thrashers select Michael Babcock Jr., coach

The most successful coach from Bowman's coaching tree.
I hate you most profoundly. Uberscoop.

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to chicago shamrocks: 451 and 501


To Les canadiens de montréal : 430 and 558

conditionnal on my guy being there
BenchBrawl did not leave me his conditional choice for this pick, so for now we're waiting on him.

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02-23-2012, 03:44 AM
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BenchBrawl did not leave me his conditional choice for this pick, so for now we're waiting on him.
He wanted Babcock. You can make your pick.

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02-23-2012, 03:56 AM
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Babcock is a deserving ATD coach and all, but I didn't realize he'd be in such high demand.

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02-23-2012, 04:05 AM
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I think Reen felt like Babcock would have been a good fit for his team, which I think is true. In a vacuum, though, I'm not at all sure he was the BCA.

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Les Canadiens de Montréal are proud to select: Pat Burns, coach



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02-23-2012, 06:20 AM
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Babcock was my 1st choice , but I'm still happy to get Burns here.One awesome coach and guy.I'll keep the draft moving pming next GM.

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There goes my top 2 choices for Head Coach. I should have kept 421 and went with Babcock. Thought I could have nabbed him or Burns at 450.

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02-23-2012, 06:50 AM
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Babcock was my 1st choice , but I'm still happy to get Burns here.One awesome coach and guy.I'll keep the draft moving pming next GM.
If anybody drafts Barry Melrose to coach, you'll have an automatic intimidation advantage against that team in the playoffs. Burns should have fun with all your defensive forwards.

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02-23-2012, 08:34 AM
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I don't usually like to start the 4th line this early, but this guy is a big addition to the PP.

The Mooseheads select C/LW, Camille Henry.

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I don't usually like to start the 4th line this early, but this guy is a big addition to the PP.

The Mooseheads select C/LW, Camille Henry.
There goes my pick, really needed a LW for the PP, well done Stone.

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anyone remember Pat Burns' fist pump in Toronto when he won against montreal?

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I don't usually like to start the 4th line this early, but this guy is a big addition to the PP.

The Mooseheads select C/LW, Camille Henry.
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There goes my pick, really needed a LW for the PP, well done Stone.
He is a good sniper that is for sure.. I think the PP specialist thing is a little overblown, personally.

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He is a good sniper that is for sure.. I think the PP specialist thing is a little overblown, personally.
I like the Henry pick, he was high on my list.

But I do 100% agree with the bolded.

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02-23-2012, 09:09 AM
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Overblown in the sense that he's not that good at anything else? Or overblown in the sense that his PP prowess is overrated?

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02-23-2012, 09:14 AM
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Overblown in the sense that he's not that good at anything else? Or overblown in the sense that his PP prowess is overrated?
I think he is a good goal scorer.

I think the PP prowess is a bit overrated by the small numbers needed.

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02-23-2012, 09:21 AM
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Overblown in the sense that he's not that good at anything else? Or overblown in the sense that his PP prowess is overrated?
I'm not talking about Henry, i'm talking about in general players are being criticized for not being able to be a net presence for whatever reason.

If a player was one of their teams top offensive players then they wouldn't have been used in that role. This is the ATD though so top offensive players who were the top goal scorers on their teams may be looked upon to be the net presence because there are better goal scoring options now.

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02-23-2012, 09:35 AM
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I guess it depends to what extent you mean he's overrated. Henry is undeniably a strong first unit PP goal scorer in this thing given his credentials, IMO.

BC, I read through your debate with overpass in last years draft thread and I would agree that he's not a better PP scorer than some of the elite scorers in this thing (even if the numbers are deceiving) but I don't think that discredits him as a very good PP specialist (i.e. he's a much better option on my first PP unit than the clearly superior player, Cecil Dillon).

Henry led the league in PP goals in 3 different seasons, one of which he set the record (later broken by Hull 10+ years later).

Here's some good stuff from overpass when he picked Henry last time:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=151

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=159

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02-23-2012, 09:39 AM
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I guess it depends to what extent you mean he's overrated. Henry is undeniably a strong first unit PP goal scorer in this thing given his credentials, IMO.
That is kind of my point, he is a good goal scorer, period.

It is just when we get into the "best powerplay scorer ever" type stuff that I have to say whoa.... I mean maybe I'm wrong but I think we're just reading too much into small numbers for that.

I mean obviously he's good on the powerplay, I'm not saying he isn't.

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02-23-2012, 10:19 AM
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Babcock is a deserving ATD coach and all, but I didn't realize he'd be in such high demand.
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He is a good sniper that is for sure.. I think the PP specialist thing is a little overblown, personally.
it's not overblown at all. In real life he was a good goal scorer who was heavily biased towards PP scoring. In the ATD, he is a PP specialist.

Henry was top-7 in goals six times - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 6th, 7th.

But as far as even strength scoring in those years? 4th, 5th, 9th, 18th, 42nd, 60th.

His excellence on the PP should not be understated, nor should his mediocrity at even strength be understated.

Henry scored 303 ESP in 727 games (0.42). Over the same period, Eric Nesterenko, who no one would dream of having on a scoring line, scored 367 in 965 (0.38).

His 224 PPP, on the other hand, are excellent.

We are smart enough and have the capability to analyze players' scoring in different situations. Why would be not do that?

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02-23-2012, 10:24 AM
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The one thing I regretted about picking Henry last draft was that it handicapped my fourth line a bit. My team couldn't have rolled four lines - the fourth line would have to be spotted here or there, or have Jagr double-shift in Henry's place.

I really think he helped my power play. IMO he was a big upgrade over, say, Modano or Zetterberg on the first unit.

BraveCanadian has a bit of a point about Henry's power play goal scoring in that there were fewer players in the O6 era, and most weren't picked for their power play abilities (players like Paul Gardner might not make the league at all), so Henry was competing against fewer players for power play goals. But he still outscored players like Richard, Howe, Beliveau, etc on the power play in his best seasons and that's very impressive.

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it's not overblown at all. In real life he was a good goal scorer who was heavily biased towards PP scoring. In the ATD, he is a PP specialist.

Henry was top-7 in goals six times - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 6th, 7th.
Because the numbers are so small, you're often talking about what.. 5 PP goals over a season separating 20th in the league with 5th?


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His 224 PPP, on the other hand, are excellent.
And what is the leaderboard in that era like? I honestly have no idea.

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BraveCanadian has a bit of a point about Henry's power play goal scoring in that there were fewer players in the O6 era, and most weren't picked for their power play abilities (players like Paul Gardner might not make the league at all), so Henry was competing against fewer players for power play goals. But he still outscored players like Richard, Howe, Beliveau, etc on the power play in his best seasons and that's very impressive.
You're articulating what I am trying to get at better than I am.. and you're right, beating those guys is impressive.

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