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02-23-2012, 01:11 AM
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Flyers avoiding shootouts

Whatever it takes...

Man our shootout record is bad..thanks Stevens and Lavi and our sieve goalies....lots of important points lost.



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WINNIPEG, Manitoba -- The Flyers may have found a way to solve their shootout problems: by avoiding it totally.

When the puck dropped on overtime in the MTS Centre on Tuesday night, the Flyers’ lineup was not out of the ordinary. Claude Giroux, James van Riemsdyk, Pavel Kubina and Matt Carle were on the ice in the traditional two forwards and two defensemen, 4-on-4 setup.

That changed after about 54 seconds, when the Flyers went with 3 forwards and 1 defenseman, in order to try and pressure for a goal. They flip-flopped shift-by-shift with their setup.

........the Flyers are 20-39 all-time in shootouts, by far the NHL’s worst record since 2005.


Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/f...#ixzz1nBNbReXQ

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We don't practice the shootout.

We're looking for playoff wins, not fodder points.

In the playoffs you can only win in OT.

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Whatever it takes...

Man our shootout record is bad..thanks Stevens and Lavi and our sieve goalies....lots of important points lost.
The Jets game was not the first time they have gone with three Forwards and one D-man in Regular Season OTs... IIRC


Way back it was quite common to go with four Forwards and one D-man on regular Power Plays... I'd say in either case the extra Forward is normally one that is a Two-Way player with excellent Defensive ability.

... I agree with the thinking that an all out effort to sew it up in OT... Not only because the Flyers flat-out suck in ShootOuts, but also because of ROW points that determine the firs seeding tiebreaker... a Win in OT is better than a Win through SO.


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We don't practice the shootout.

We're looking for playoff wins, not fodder points.

In the playoffs you can only win in OT.
2pts is and always will be better than 1pt. I understand "they" don't practice the shootout but every point counts. There is no such thing as fodder points.

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The Jets game was not the first time they have gone with three Forwards and one D-man in Regular Season OTs... IIRC


Way back it was quite common to go with five Forwards and one D-man on regular Power Plays... I'd say in either case the extra Forward is normally one that is a Two-Way player with excellent Defensive ability.

... I agree with the thinking that an all out effort to sew it up in OT... Not only because the Flyers flat-out suck in ShootOuts, but also because of ROW points that determine the firs seeding tiebreaker... a Win in OT is better than a Win through SO.
Yeah, it was not the first time. And it also makes a lot of sense, especially for us, to go with three forwards and one d in ot. Not only because of our terrible shoot out record, but also because of our forward depth.

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The Jets game was not the first time they have gone with three Forwards and one D-man in Regular Season OTs... IIRC


Way back it was quite common to go with five Forwards and one D-man on regular Power Plays... I'd say in either case the extra Forward is normally one that is a Two-Way player with excellent Defensive ability.

... I agree with the thinking that an all out effort to sew it up in OT... Not only because the Flyers flat-out suck in ShootOuts, but also because of ROW points that determine the firs seeding tiebreaker... a Win in OT is better than a Win through SO.
Lots of too-many-men-on-the-ice penalties during that time?

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Lots of too-many-men-on-the-ice penalties during that time?
That's how the bruins beat us in the WC.

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2pts is and always will be better than 1pt. I understand "they" don't practice the shootout but every point counts. There is no such thing as fodder points.


do you ave any proof?

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do you ave any proof?
Let's break this down:





Yes, I think this is pretty conclusive.

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They spend 30 minutes working on something like shootouts, that's 30 minutes less to practice the power play, PK, etc. Shootout moves for the forwards are just things that do in their spare time, it's up to them to use something effective. For the goalies, you stop the puck, same as any breakaway. The problem is that Bryz's fundamental approach to breakaways is completely wrong; he doesn't know when to go down, when to come out a bit to challenge and cut down the angle, etc. The failures in shootout have been on both ends, but practicing it specifically is still a waste.

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it was pretty obvious Tuesday night that they wanted that win in OT, good move by Laviolette

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Shootouts aren't hockey, they need to go.

Yeah, points are good, but practicing for a skills competition is a waste when there is no such skills competition in the playoffs.

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My biggest problem with the shoot-out is that Bettman thinks it has a place in Hockey, but then its not in the games that matter most, and a regular season tie-breaker is Regulation and OT wins as and not Shoot-out wins.

If it has a place, why is it not being given the same weight as a regulation win or OT win, and not being featured in the most important games? Oh wait, its because it has NO place.....

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My biggest problem with the shoot-out is that Bettman thinks it has a place in Hockey, but then its not in the games that matter most, and a regular season tie-breaker is Regulation and OT wins as and not Shoot-out wins.

If it has a place, why is it not being given the same weight as a regulation win or OT win, and not being featured in the most important games? Oh wait, its because it has NO place.....
well said..

but i still think these guys can find the time to practise it more..

they dont have reg. day jobs to go to..

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02-23-2012, 11:48 AM
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well said..

but i still think these guys can find the time to practise it more..

they dont have reg. day jobs to go to..
Well like I said, it is and should be up to them to do that on their own time. Skilled players shouldn't struggle in shootouts if they're creative enough, and goalies should be able to do enough to give their team a chance more than half the time. Winning shootouts should be a by-product of being a good hockey team, despite it not being hockey at all.

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You don't need to practise it 30 minutes, 10 or 5 every other day is enough. One goalie at each end and just use 5 shooters on each goalie.

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I could have swore someone posted on here last season or maybe the season before (lavis first) that at the end of each practice everyone gets 1 shootout attempt at the goalie. idk what ever happened to that

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Lots of too-many-men-on-the-ice penalties during that time?



That's what I get for having six fingers on each hand.

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Well maybe if the Flyers would practice the shootouts, our goalies would have more practice stopping them. Win/Win

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IIRC at this point of the season the Devils have 9 more points than the Flyers from Shootout Wins... and the Pens have 6 more... yes, SO points certainly can make a difference.

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