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02-23-2012, 10:41 AM
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Because the numbers are so small, you're often talking about what.. 5 PP goals over a season separating 20th in the league with 5th?
probably, thereabouts. Not sure if that makes his 1st/2nd/5th place PP goals finishes less impressive.

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And what is the leaderboard in that era like? I honestly have no idea.
that's overpass' department.

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02-23-2012, 10:51 AM
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probably, thereabouts. Not sure if that makes his 1st/2nd/5th place PP goals finishes less impressive.
Well those just take 7 goals instead.

Still yeah, being top 5 is great (and particularly when over Howe etc.) but we're talking about being top 5 out of 18 front line players getting PP time, right?

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He apparently has a mythical spreadsheet that we all need.

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02-23-2012, 11:09 AM
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Well those just take 7 goals instead.

Still yeah, being top 5 is great (and particularly when over Howe etc.) but we're talking about being top 5 out of 18 front line players getting PP time, right?
I know what you are saying but the exact same argument could apply to the leaderboards of any pre-1926 league. We're dealing with smaller numbers and therefore less certainty, and we have to get comfortable with that I guess.

As an example, I don't think any one of Nighbor's top-3 finishes in assists are all that impressive, but when he proved he could do it every year, then he proved he was one of the era's premier playmaker.

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He apparently has a mythical spreadsheet that we all need.
to my knowledge, he doesn't have a superior spreadsheet to what I have. But he's skilled at running scripts and I don't know the first thing about them.

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Because the numbers are so small, you're often talking about what.. 5 PP goals over a season separating 20th in the league with 5th?




And what is the leaderboard in that era like? I honestly have no idea.
From 1952-53 to 1966-67 (the point where the HSP starts until expansion)

Power play goals
Gordie Howe 148
Jean Beliveau 145
Camille Henry 115
Bernard Geoffrion 107
Bobby Hull 89
Dickie Moore 82
Maurice Richard 72
Alex Delvecchio 71
Andy Bathgate 65
Undrafted 63

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Gordie Howe 387
Jean Beliveau 350
Bernard Geoffrion 273
Andy Bathgate 262
Alex Delvecchio 245
Camille Henry 206
Doug Harvey 193
Bobby Hull 181
Stan Mikita 178
Dickie Moore 176

Geoffrion, Bathgate, and Delvecchio all rank behind Henry in goals but ahead in points in part because they played on the point.

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02-23-2012, 11:11 AM
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to my knowledge, he doesn't have a superior spreadsheet to what I have. But he's skilled at running scripts and I don't know the first thing about them.
Pivot tables.

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02-23-2012, 11:25 AM
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Pivot tables.
Wonderful tools. I suppose using pivot tables makes you the most "professional" hockey statistician that I know.

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but won't pivot tables exclude wingers? Or do you do winger tables separately?

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Winnipeg Falcons selects: Steve Smith, D

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02-23-2012, 11:32 AM
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02-23-2012, 11:39 AM
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there is at least one active player who I can't believe you just took Staal over.

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02-23-2012, 12:02 PM
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there is at least one active player who I can't believe you just took Staal over.
I really, really hope you aren't thinking of who I'm thinking you're thinking of.

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Seventies, if my Jeff Skinner pick gets scooped, you're a dead man.

Also...that's a fairly obvious hint. May want to back off that kind of stuff, or at least don't mention the era they played.


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02-23-2012, 12:06 PM
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From 1952-53 to 1966-67 (the point where the HSP starts until expansion)

Power play goals
Gordie Howe 148
Jean Beliveau 145
Camille Henry 115
Bernard Geoffrion 107
Bobby Hull 89
Dickie Moore 82
Maurice Richard 72
Alex Delvecchio 71
Andy Bathgate 65
Undrafted 63

Power play points
Gordie Howe 387
Jean Beliveau 350
Bernard Geoffrion 273
Andy Bathgate 262
Alex Delvecchio 245
Camille Henry 206
Doug Harvey 193
Bobby Hull 181
Stan Mikita 178
Dickie Moore 176

Geoffrion, Bathgate, and Delvecchio all rank behind Henry in goals but ahead in points in part because they played on the point.
Thanks for this.. I think it puts him into better perspective.

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02-23-2012, 12:14 PM
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I have my 3 scoring centers so it doesn't matter to me, but I know who Dave's 2nd pick was and I have another name.

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02-23-2012, 12:24 PM
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jarek, the player you keep mentioning would be a good pick here. You should stop.

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02-23-2012, 12:35 PM
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jarek, the player you keep mentioning would be a good pick here. You should stop.
indeed.

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02-23-2012, 12:49 PM
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jarek, the player you keep mentioning would be a good pick here. You should stop.
Geez, so anal. It's not like he's so obscure that everyone in the hockey world doesn't know about him..

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02-23-2012, 12:52 PM
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that's why I voted to keep the undrafted rules and not make rules based on ''trusting'' that the people won't abuse it.

jarek , if you really want the undrafted rule to disappear one day , you're only shooting yourself in the foot by turning yourself into an example of a negative aspect of a no-rule scenario.

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02-23-2012, 12:57 PM
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that's why I voted to keep the undrafted rules and not make rules based on ''trusting'' that the people won't abuse it.

jarek , if you really want the undrafted rule to disappear one day , you're only shooting yourself in the foot by turning yourself into an example of a negative aspect of a no-rule scenario.
If you REALLY, REALLY believe that I'm doing it on purpose for some bizarre reason.. then I can't help you. Sorry. I really am sorry that you totally ignored the points I was making when I mentioned said undrafted and decided to only focus on the fact that I mentioned an undrafted. Meanwhile, totally, totally ignoring the fact that seventies blatantly said that 1-2 players that are currently active, he feels, are better than Staal (he may as well have just said the name).

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02-23-2012, 12:58 PM
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Geez, so anal. It's not like he's so obscure that everyone in the hockey world doesn't know about him..
What's so hard about following a consensus of a conversation you started?

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If you REALLY, REALLY believe that I'm doing it on purpose for some bizarre reason.. then I can't help you. Sorry. I really am sorry that you totally ignored the points I was making when I mentioned said undrafted and decided to only focus on the fact that I mentioned an undrafted. Meanwhile, totally, totally ignoring the fact that seventies blatantly said that 1-2 players that are currently active, he feels, are better than Staal (he may as well have just said the name).
that's funny because I have 5 PMs with about ten names dropped guessing at who I was referring to. Most got it wrong.

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02-23-2012, 01:01 PM
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Please update your roster post!!

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02-23-2012, 01:16 PM
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Please update your roster post!!
Agreed. I'm not worried about it, but jkrx, it creates the perception that you're just drafting and trading and not planning to follow through with the required regular season and playoffs line setting, voting, etc. I'm not accusing you of anything, just pointing out the impression it creates. I just enter each player after I draft them and copy and paste them into one of my PP or PK units. It just takes a minute every few days. It's also the best way to keep track of all 25 players/coach that you draft.


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I keep track by writing down every single player I think of taking (all of them red wing players obviously) then tear the piece of paper and make a lottery out of it. I always win since they are all Red Wings.

I've updated my roster post since it's such a crime to discard it for the time being.

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I think jkrx should be given a little bit of slack here, considering his health.

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