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02-23-2012, 03:43 PM
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Actually the deal Brooka reported was Dubinsky, McIlrath, Thomas, and a 1st.

Brooka said Howson had interest in Erixon but Sather basically has Erixon near the untouchable list.
I'd do it.

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Actually the deal Brooka reported was Dubinsky, McIlrath, Thomas, and a 1st.

Brooka said Howson had interest in Erixon but Sather basically has Erixon near the untouchable list.
Erixon is Sather's last resort.

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Highlight videos can make anyone look good.
So true. Remember the Enver Lisin video?

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Actually the deal Brooka reported was Dubinsky, McIlrath, Thomas, and a 1st.

Brooka said Howson had interest in Erixon but Sather basically has Erixon near the untouchable list.
I would do that in a heartbeat tbh. That damn cap hit and contract term just scare the **** out of me

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I don't get the chemistry issues at all. We'll be giving up a 3rd liner. Our PK may struggle, but seriously our chemistry will struggle because we don't have a 3rd line grinder?
Because Nash isn't a 3rd liner.

He's a 1st line player. It's easier to fit in role players like Dubinsky.There's no guarantees he comes here and produces better because he's now on a better team like many say, or clicks with Richards. I wouldn't be surprised if he did in fact come here, and continue his production as is...an overpaid 65 point player or so.

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Erixon is Sather's last resort.
Unfortunately that's most likely true so that Howson feels like he "won" something.

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I was very careful with my word choice, I never said "empty the cupboard" I said, "give up all these assets". I never specified which assets, but there will be multiple assets given up, which fits my words.

My proposal for getting more offense? Keep the team together. Let them get better together. Let them continue to grow together. Let Dubi get out of his goal scoring slump. Let the young guys like Anisimov develop more consistency in their games. Then I'd tell the fans to remember scoring doesn't come easy to any team in the NHL, and that we're the 12th highest scoring team in the league this year. That's actually above average if you remember there are 30 teams in the league. I know you guys are used to us having scoring problems so it's easy to fall back into that mindset, but we've actually been so in that regard.

I'll remind you that we're the best in the east. And we're the best defensive team in the east. So chill. It's a young team, this year has been great considering we should be better the next few years it only gets more exciting. That can all change if we get Nash, and very possibly for the worse. Lets do what got us here. Building from within and not giving up assets. Also lets keep the chemistry together, these guys have earned the chance to win it all together. They've earned the fans trust. Give it to them.
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Totally agree. Dogs and cats living together...

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I am warming up to the possibility of Nash coming here. The only thing that scares me is the acquisition cost and his cap hit possibly hurting the team's future.
What else would there to be worried about?

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Exactly. For all of the Dubi-bashing, Anisimov is also down from last year. And, for as good as Hagelin's been, my opinion of him right is that he can a quality 3rd liner. Nash comes in, and right away he's the 3rd leading goal-scorer on the team.
Again, agreed.

Though, third highest scorer is a bit deceiving considering the situation he'd be coming from. He and Gaborik would be close in goals. Theoretically.

Nash, Gaborik, Richards, Stepan, Callahan, Kreider

That is one heck of a group of forwards.

Plus McDonagh, Girardi, Del Zotto, Staal, Sauer.

And Lundqvist.

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Because Nash isn't a 3rd liner.

He's a 1st line player. It's easier to fit in role players like Dubinsky.There's no guarantees he comes here and produces better because he's now on a better team like many say, or clicks with Richards. I wouldn't be surprised if he did in fact come here, and continue his production as is...an overpaid 65 point player or so.
No guarantee he comes here and doesn't click either.

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I think a lot of you will quickly forget about Dubinsky once Miller makes his mark. He will be Dubinsky v2.0 with more offensive talents.

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Highlight videos can make anyone look good.

I'm not doubting Nash's skill. He's a great player, but just not for his cap hit. And I do not think his impact is worth the risk of chemistry issues and his contract. He's not a generational talent like a Malkin or Crosby. Of course we'd be better, but not significant enough to be worth it.


This chemistry thing reminds me of the now long gone criticism of Torts line juggling, so I guess we should never make a trade because our players might be too sensitive and pout if there buddy gets traded away.

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I saw Glen Sather just now at #NYR facility - cell phone was not to his ear.

Isn't that uncharacteristic of our godfather?

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Actually the deal Brooka reported was Dubinsky, McIlrath, Thomas, and a 1st.

Brooka said Howson had interest in Erixon but Sather basically has Erixon near the untouchable list.
But according to that, its Erixon that makes the deal happen.

Kreider holds the deal up. Erixon doesn't. It's a position of strength. I love Erixon and keep him in most situations. But this is different.

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Also, regarding the "highlight videos"--- you'll notice something.

Pretty much all of Nash's goals are game tiers, taking the lead, or in the third period. The guy is clutch, despite his ass of a team.

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But according to that, its Erixon that makes the deal happen.

Kreider holds the deal up. Erixon doesn't. It's a position of strength. I love Erixon and keep him in most situations. But this is different.
They way I read it seemed to imply that if it came down to it, Erixon would sub in for McIlrath, not be added. I may be wrong though.

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This chemistry thing reminds me of the now long gone criticism of Torts line juggling, so I guess we should never make a trade because our players might be too sensitive and pout if there buddy gets traded away.
When I mean chemistry, it's not that the whole team just suffers. Obviously Nash doesn't play on all 4 lines.

What I mean is, everyone thinks him coming to a better team just automatically counts him for 35+ goals. What if he doesn't click with Richards?

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I think a lot of you will quickly forget about Dubinsky once Miller makes his mark. He will be Dubinsky v2.0 with more offensive talents.
That's exactly what I think of when I think of Miller. A Dubi with more offensive upside.

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I think a lot of you will quickly forget about Dubinsky once Miller makes his mark. He will be Dubinsky v2.0 with more offensive talents.
That's a fair assessment. More specifically more playmaking skills.

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Also, regarding the "highlight videos"--- you'll notice something.

Pretty much all of Nash's goals are game tiers, taking the lead, or in the third period. The guy is clutch, despite his ass of a team.
Very true, and very similar to Richards in that sense. But Columbus isn't going to be blowing many teams out of the building anyway. But yes, it is noticeable that he isn't just padding his stats when the game is already decided.

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Some interesting speculation about the Jackets prepping their press room for a big news conference.

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One player today said that he has a small duffel bag packed and ready to go -- enough to get through a day or two -- in case he's traded and needs to catch a flight on a moment's notice. He said he's not alone. "I'm sure a lot of players are ready like that."

And, down the hall from the dressing room, the "press conference" room is being rearranged to handle a large crowd, such as one a big trade might draw.
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...y-waiting.html

Plus Mark Spector was just on Team 1260 saying he's hearing rumors of some big news about to come out of Columbus.

Thread on the trade board:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1115629

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When I mean chemistry, it's not that the whole team just suffers. Obviously Nash doesn't play on all 4 lines.

What I mean is, everyone thinks him coming to a better team just automatically counts him for 35+ goals. What if he doesn't click with Richards?
His career average is 35 goals though. Logically, if you have a guy who averages 35 goals a year and he gets traded to a better team, then that average isn't going to get worse. It may not get better but I think it's reasonable to say it won't get worse.

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Again, agreed.

Though, third highest scorer is a bit deceiving considering the situation he'd be coming from. He and Gaborik would be close in goals. Theoretically.

Nash, Gaborik, Richards, Stepan, Callahan, Kreider

That is one heck of a group of forwards.

Plus McDonagh, Girardi, Del Zotto, Staal, Sauer.

And Lundqvist.
If Kreider lives up to expectations, this team will be unstoppable, even without Nash.

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Things suddenly more interesting.

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I think a lot of you will quickly forget about Dubinsky once Miller makes his mark. He will be Dubinsky v2.0 with more offensive talents.
Hopefully...but there is no guarantee. At this point he is a prospect.

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