I would actually rather keep McI than Erixon. I don't know why. I admit, I have gotten to see little of McI or Erixon, which is a shame as I usually watch or listen to the Whale regularly, but something about the way Erixon has played when I did get to watch him did not impress me much. Perhaps that is just due to how much he was being hyped though.
When all is said and done though I would probably pass on Nash, not because I don't like him or he isn't good or something like that, but because I think it will create cap problems faster than anyone thinks. Like, next year faster.
k. I'll talk to you when its July 1 2014 when hank, gaborik, and our captain are UFAs, and we dont have enough cap space to retain even 2 out of 3 without depleting our depth players because there's another guy with a stupid contract until the end of the decade. Guess we better win this year or next.
Gaborik will be 32 in July of 2014, he may not be resigned and he probably isn't getting a bump from his 7.5 mil current cap hit.
I think the above is the lesson of what happens when you trade away your top prospects. Yeah, they won the cup (thank god), so Smith got lucky, but there's no Mark Messier on this team.
To quote Top Gun:
"The encounter was a victory, but I think we've shown it as an example of what NOT to do."
94 isnt what doomed us for years. it was we continuously traded our top propsects and picks in the following years trying desperately to repeat 94. if you trade a ton for any player and he doesnt work out you end up with egg on your face. lots of examples have been brought up in THIS thread about trades for older veterans, and we can all agree that hasnt worked generally for us, but neither have trades that put us in position to draft prospects like brendl and lundmark, but this is a deal for an established top line player in his PRIME. hes not 33 years old
I think the above is the lesson of what happens when you trade away your top prospects. Yeah, they won the cup (thank god), so Smith got lucky, but there's no Mark Messier on this team.
To quote Top Gun:
"The encounter was a victory, but I think we've shown it as an example of what NOT to do."
Post 94 was an example of what happens when you trade away your top prospects. What I posted was proof that this isnt even close to being the same thing. This is bringing in a quality young scorer without sacrificing the biggest pieces and assets in this organization.
k. I'll talk to you when its July 1 2014 when hank, gaborik, and our captain are UFAs, and we dont have enough cap space to retain even 2 out of 3 without depleting our depth players because there's another guy with a stupid contract until the end of the decade. Guess we better win this year or next.
This.
If we get Nash we better win the Cup this year or next. Im still not buying the fact we can get Nash and still retain all if our key young guys.
A mediocre D-man and a 1st isn't much of a discount? Dubi and a 1st would be similar value, really. Maybe have to add something like a mid round pick with that.
Imagine the minuses JJ could have playing in front of Mason and behind a forward group headlined by Vinny Prospal. Oy vey.
Dreger-Rangers "frontrunner" for Nash. They can't wait anymore for Columbus. Rangers need to know because they will go in another direction if a deal cant be complete. Deal must be done by Sunday the latest if there will be a deal. SJ and TOR are the other teams.
Because people here are waiting for Dubi to get a fire lit under his ass and start producing.
Guess they should be prepared to wait some more.
Remember last year when AA was absolutely terrible going up to the trade deadline, when all those rumors were swirling around about us shopping him? When he wasn't traded, his play picked up immensely, and he started producing again. It's tough to play with confidence when nobody else shows confidence in you. Dubi is at his best when he's playing with that certain degree of swagger where he's doing everything with purpose and aggression.
I'm not necessarily saying that Dubinsky is going to explode offensively if we don't trade him, but there should really be more to the thinking than "well, he didn't produce in one game where there was a tremendous amount of pressure and focus on him to prove that he doesn't suck." There's good pressure and bad pressure, and that's the bad kind that negatively impacts a player's psyche.
Tortorella said he doesn't want to see any move jeopardize the team's future or disrupt the strong chemistry that has been forged just for the sake of trying to win now.
"We're not looking to break up that type of chemistry we have in that room unless something really improves our team and we don't morgtage our future."
Kind of want it to get done tonight just for the drama of Carter and Nash going bang bang at the same time. How brutal is that team going to look with Prospal, Brassard, and Dubi as their top forwards?
Remember last year when AA was absolutely terrible going up to the trade deadline, when all those rumors were swirling around about us shopping him? When he wasn't traded, his play picked up immensely, and he started producing again. It's tough to play with confidence when nobody else shows confidence in you. Dubi is at his best when he's playing with that certain degree of swagger where he's doing everything with purpose and aggression.
I'm not necessarily saying that Dubinsky is going to explode offensively if we don't trade him, but there should really be more to the thinking than "well, he didn't produce in one game where there was a tremendous amount of pressure and focus on him to prove that he doesn't suck." There's good pressure and bad pressure, and that's the bad kind that negatively impacts a player's psyche.
Its not just the one game its been the whole season. His play hasnt been good since the beginning of the season and he wasnt on the trading block than.
Columbus will have 4 long term contracts on D with Tyutin(lefty),Wisniewski(righty),Johnson(left) and Methot(left). Moore(left) is a 2009 1st rounder. McIlrath fits in well there. Righty shot.
Kind of want it to get done tonight just for the drama of Carter and Nash going bang bang at the same time. How brutal is that team going to look with Prospal, Brassard, and Dubi as their top forwards?
a dubi that loses all his motivation lol.
If you think his play is bad now, I can't imagine how bad it's going to be if he got traded to that **** team.
Guess he should be lighting the lamp with 2 pairs of stonehands on his line in Boyle and Prust.
Im not saying he doesnt deserve to be down there, but thats not a spot where anyone is going to "produce"
That line has been pretty good at getting and keeping the puck deep in the offensive zone and none of them are scoring and Duby has had plenty of opportunities. That line has 3 pairs stone hands. Dont blame Prust and Boyle because Duby cant hit the net.
Remember last year when AA was absolutely terrible going up to the trade deadline, when all those rumors were swirling around about us shopping him? When he wasn't traded, his play picked up immensely, and he started producing again. It's tough to play with confidence when nobody else shows confidence in you. Dubi is at his best when he's playing with that certain degree of swagger where he's doing everything with purpose and aggression.
I'm not necessarily saying that Dubinsky is going to explode offensively if we don't trade him, but there should really be more to the thinking than "well, he didn't produce in one game where there was a tremendous amount of pressure and focus on him to prove that he doesn't suck." There's good pressure and bad pressure, and that's the bad kind that negatively impacts a player's psyche.
It's not just that one game. He's as inconsistent as they come. If he wasn't homegrown, but was traded here after playing one year on another team, people wouldn't be willing to give him all this time.
His PK, boardwork, defense, toughness is great, but for 4.2 million, I expect some more consistent numbers on the scoresheet, or else it seems like the only time he's motivated to play is when he's up for a contract.
I know two guys in the Columbus organization...I wonder if they can give me any inside info ? I know the head of Team Services and the Radio Play by Play guy . Both of those guys are from PEI . The team services person uses an alias and George Matthews , radio , used to buy hockey cards from me years ago . I would really hate to bother them...but OTOH...like everybody else...I need to know ! LOL .
