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01-24-2006, 02:11 PM
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Shootout specialist goalie?

With all of the other leagues in the world that have shootouts, has any team ever had a shootout specialist goalie? A goalie who excels at one-on-one to come in strictly for shootouts?

Watching Giguere last night got me thinking about this. He is 11th in the NHL in both GAA and Save%, but has an abysmal 0.565 Save% on shootout attempts.

To use a football analogy, some defensive backs are best playing zone while others excel at one-on-one coverage. Butterfly style goalies play more like a zone defense - always in position to cut down the high percentage shot. This doesn't always translate well to a breakaway or penalty shot. Is it possible that a "reaction" style goalie who will aggressively challenge the shooter is better suited to this special situation?

So far, 10.5% of the NHL games are going to shootout - one guy who could stop 3 shots would be worth 9 points a season. Would that be worth a roster spot?

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With all of the other leagues in the world that have shootouts, has any team ever had a shootout specialist goalie? A goalie who excels at one-on-one to come in strictly for shootouts?

Watching Giguere last night got me thinking about this. He is 11th in the NHL in both GAA and Save%, but has an abysmal 0.565 Save% on shootout attempts.

To use a football analogy, some defensive backs are best playing zone while others excel at one-on-one coverage. Butterfly style goalies play more like a zone defense - always in position to cut down the high percentage shot. This doesn't always translate well to a breakaway or penalty shot. Is it possible that a "reaction" style goalie who will aggressively challenge the shooter is better suited to this special situation?

So far, 10.5% of the NHL games are going to shootout - one guy who could stop 3 shots would be worth 9 points a season. Would that be worth a roster spot?
The problem with that is.....When do you put this guy in the game? I am pretty sure that the goalie that plays in OT has to be the shootout goalie. So if you chance putting a cold goalie in the nets in the OT frame then the gamble will probably lose you more games than you win.

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http://www2.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule89.html

I read this to mean that ANY player on the 20 man eligible list could participate - the specialist would come in after overtime but before the first shootout attempt.

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I read this to mean that ANY player on the 20 man eligible list could participate - the specialist would come in after overtime but before the first shootout attempt.
It seems you are correct.....but I still would be hesitant putting a goalie in a shootout situation who has been sitting on the bench all night. It is like bringing in a closer in baseball without the opportunity to warmup.

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I read this to mean that ANY player on the 20 man eligible list could participate - the specialist would come in after overtime but before the first shootout attempt.
With the extrememly little amount of play he would get, I don't think there will ever be a shootout goalie.

However, it is conceivable that GM's will start ensuring that one of either the starter or their back-up is good at one-on-ones. So that if the game does go to the shootout, the coach can put in whoever is better.

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Most AHL goalies are better than NHL goalies in shootouts because they've had more exposure to shootouts in the AHL. If you need a shootout goalie, call up a minor league goalie.

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I read this to mean that ANY player on the 20 man eligible list could participate - the specialist would come in after overtime but before the first shootout attempt.
Well, according to that, there's nothing to prevent a goalie from participating in a shootout as a shooter, but that's something I doubt the NHL would allow. I think that, when they say "three players from each team" and "all players are eligible," they mean to say skaters. I have doubts that that is the complete rulebook. Like Spongebob, I've heard differently about the designated goalie: specifically, that the goalie in net when OT ends must participate in the entire shootout (unless he becomes injured).

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Giguere has to be the worst goalie I've ever seen one on one. It's like he just freezes and stands there.

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Well, according to that, there's nothing to prevent a goalie from participating in a shootout as a shooter, but that's something I doubt the NHL would allow. I think that, when they say "three players from each team" and "all players are eligible," they mean to say skaters. I have doubts that that is the complete rulebook. Like Spongebob, I've heard differently about the designated goalie: specifically, that the goalie in net when OT ends must participate in the entire shootout (unless he becomes injured).
From what Nickson said, I thought it was once the shootout begins you can't sub a goalie unless there's an injury.

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It seems you are correct.....but I still would be hesitant putting a goalie in a shootout situation who has been sitting on the bench all night. It is like bringing in a closer in baseball without the opportunity to warmup.
Buffalo did it in a game earlier this year. Noronen played the whole game, but Ruff decided to put Biron in for the shootout. Of course they lost. I don't think Biron stopped any shots. Felt kinda bad for the guy. Sits on the bench the whole night and then is thrown into the fire come shootout time.

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