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Ottawa, although i was really asking what your organizational needs were if you were moving guys out since i dont really expect you to know what Ottawa may have to offer that would suit you.
I don't see the need for him in Ottawa, but here goes: I'd want a 1st and a 3rd. You could decide as well if you'd like to dump Gonchar on us, but that would change out the 3rd to Silvferberg.
Do you even know what you are talking about? In the past couple years how many moves have the Flames made to get older at the expense of draft picks? And how many of those were made by Feaster?
In the past 2 seasons the Flames have made the following trades:
- White & Sutter for Babchuk & Kostopoulos (Babchuk and White are the same age, so we got older in exchanged Sutter for Kostopoulos, but let's be realistic age or not Kosto is 10x the player Sutter is, but it was a Darryl Sutter trade and not a Feaster trade)
- a 7th in 2011 for Freddy Modin (Oh noes a 7th rounder, the future is now bleak!!!!!)
- Tim Erixon and a 5th in 2011 for Roman Horak and two 2nds in 2011 (Hand was forced by Erixon and agent, but Horak and Erixon are the same age and we added a pick as well as moved up in the draft)
- Robyn Regehr, Ales Kotalik, 2nd in 2012 for Paul Byron & Chris Butler (we got much younger in this deal and relinquished the pick to get them to take Kotalik's contract)
- Keith Seabrook for Jordan Henry (Henry is 2 years older, but its a minor league deal where both are long shots to see the NHL)
- 5th in 2012 for Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond (ill advised trade for sure, but he is only 26 years old and it was only a 5th)
- Daymond Langkow for Lee Stempniak (we got considerably younger)
- Brendan Mikkelsson for Blair Jones (Jones is less than a year older)
- Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland and a 2nd in 2013 for Mike Cammalleri, Karri Ramo and a 5th in 2012 (Cammy is a little younger than Bourque, Ramo is older than Holland but has a much better shot of playing in the NHL, we swapped a 2nd for a 5th because of the difference in skill between Cammy/Ramo and Bourque/Holland)
- Brendan Mikkelsson for Brian Connelly (we got much younger)
- John Negrin for Akim Aliu (same age, but minor league deal)
wow, that's a whole lot of deals to get older players with picks.
and drafting for the Flames has improved in the last couple drafts as they are finally putting more money into scouting. In the last 2 drafts the Flames picked Max Reinhart, Joey Leach, John Ramage, Bill Arnold, Michael Ferland and Patrick Holland in 2010 (not bad with no 1st or 2nd) and Sven Baertschi, Markus Granlund, Tyler Wotherspoon, Johnny Gaudreau and Laurent Broissoit in 2011. It might not be the best picks in teh NHL the past 2 drafts but thaose by all accounts appear to be some very solid picks.
seriously you need to pay attention a little closer
The White deal was a bad deal, downgrading from White to Babchuk. White is the better player. The Sutter/Kostopolous swap is irrelevant, TK wouldn't be on most competitive rosters.
Modin is irrelevant - it is a waste regardless what the price was
The Erixon deal was not the Flames fault - no issue with that
The Regehr deal was bad for the Flames. Flames downgrades their team defence and added a 2nd. Who cares about Kotalik, waive him, buy him out, lend him to Europe. It was a bad deal. Byron is an AHL/NHL tweener and is irrelevant to a team with playoff ambitions. If your trading Regehr you look for Butler and a pick - you don't add a pick going the other way.
Seabrook and Henry don't play NHL hockey and never will
P-L-L-L why?
The Bourque/Cammy deal I don't get. 6 million for a guy who isn't producing and has fought injuries. Ramo, left the NHL, doesn't want to be a back up is a coin flip for whether or not he ever plays in the NHL again. Bourque could have been used for picks/prospects, or even just a player not signed to such a brutal contract as Cammy. I don't think Ramo has any value, so in this deal the Flames lose cap space, downgrade their pick and lose a prospect, a long shot prospect but still youth.
Langkow for Stempniak - I'm okay with that because it clears cap space - talent vs age Calgary isn't better because of the trade but they clear cap.
Mikkelsson for Jones - who cares neither should be in the NHL
Morrison for Connelly - neither should be in the NHL
As for the draft - I expect Bartschi to be a good player, Reinhart has 3rd line potential, Ramage has bottom pairing potential. The rest I can't say Ferland maybe, Gaudreau (don't see many 5'6'' NHL players)
The White deal was a bad deal, downgrading from White to Babchuk. White is the better player. The Sutter/Kostopolous swap is irrelevant, TK wouldn't be on most competitive rosters.
Modin is irrelevant - it is a waste regardless what the price was
The Erixon deal was not the Flames fault - no issue with that
The Regehr deal was bad for the Flames. Flames downgrades their team defence and added a 2nd. Who cares about Kotalik, waive him, buy him out, lend him to Europe. It was a bad deal. Byron is an AHL/NHL tweener and is irrelevant to a team with playoff ambitions. If your trading Regehr you look for Butler and a pick - you don't add a pick going the other way.
Seabrook and Henry don't play NHL hockey and never will
P-L-L-L why?
The Bourque/Cammy deal I don't get. 6 million for a guy who isn't producing and has fought injuries. Ramo, left the NHL, doesn't want to be a back up is a coin flip for whether or not he ever plays in the NHL again. Bourque could have been used for picks/prospects, or even just a player not signed to such a brutal contract as Cammy. I don't think Ramo has any value, so in this deal the Flames lose cap space, downgrade their pick and lose a prospect, a long shot prospect but still youth.
Langkow for Stempniak - I'm okay with that because it clears cap space - talent vs age Calgary isn't better because of the trade but they clear cap.
Mikkelsson for Jones - who cares neither should be in the NHL
Morrison for Connelly - neither should be in the NHL
As for the draft - I expect Bartschi to be a good player, Reinhart has 3rd line potential, Ramage has bottom pairing potential. The rest I can't say Ferland maybe, Gaudreau (don't see many 5'6'' NHL players)
I think Ferland is more than a "maybe." He has speed, size and plays with an edge. He likely won't be a sniper at the NHL level, but he doesn't have to be to be effective. He has upside to an Ott type player as well.
I don't see the need for him in Ottawa, but here goes: I'd want a 1st and a 3rd. You could decide as well if you'd like to dump Gonchar on us, but that would change out the 3rd to Silvferberg.
The 1st and a 3rd is a deal i would make, no salary dump required.
It really would be our greatest organizational need.
this is our current D
Karlsson Kuba
Gonchar Cowen
Phillips Lee
so karlsson and cowen, great young d men
Kuba is an older UFA this year, whom we have to decide to re-sign or not.
Lee is a good young guy, probably a decent #4
Phillips and Gonchar are probably on their last contracts with ottawa, Gonchar 1 more year and Phillips has 2
We could really use another high end d man, but interestingly enough we dont need a big point guy but a 2 two way guy with good speed and size who can bth move the puck and skate with it.
JBO fits the bill IMO as well as any other.
Salary fits fine as well.
So a 1st and a 3rd it is, if you wouldnt mind working out the paperwork ill have my people go over them this weekend. no need not to have this finalized by monday afternoon.
its been a pleasure dealing with you.
I think Ferland is more than a "maybe." He has speed, size and plays with an edge. He likely won't be a sniper at the NHL level, but he doesn't have to be to be effective. He has upside to an Ott type player as well.
yeah I've never seen him play that's why I said I couldn't say. I see he's got some really good stats but they don't tell the whole story. Thanks for the scouting report though.
The White deal was a bad deal, downgrading from White to Babchuk. White is the better player. The Sutter/Kostopolous swap is irrelevant, TK wouldn't be on most competitive rosters.
Modin is irrelevant - it is a waste regardless what the price was
The Erixon deal was not the Flames fault - no issue with that
The Regehr deal was bad for the Flames. Flames downgrades their team defence and added a 2nd. Who cares about Kotalik, waive him, buy him out, lend him to Europe. It was a bad deal. Byron is an AHL/NHL tweener and is irrelevant to a team with playoff ambitions. If your trading Regehr you look for Butler and a pick - you don't add a pick going the other way.
Seabrook and Henry don't play NHL hockey and never will
P-L-L-L why?
The Bourque/Cammy deal I don't get. 6 million for a guy who isn't producing and has fought injuries. Ramo, left the NHL, doesn't want to be a back up is a coin flip for whether or not he ever plays in the NHL again. Bourque could have been used for picks/prospects, or even just a player not signed to such a brutal contract as Cammy. I don't think Ramo has any value, so in this deal the Flames lose cap space, downgrade their pick and lose a prospect, a long shot prospect but still youth.
Langkow for Stempniak - I'm okay with that because it clears cap space - talent vs age Calgary isn't better because of the trade but they clear cap.
Mikkelsson for Jones - who cares neither should be in the NHL
Morrison for Connelly - neither should be in the NHL
As for the draft - I expect Bartschi to be a good player, Reinhart has 3rd line potential, Ramage has bottom pairing potential. The rest I can't say Ferland maybe, Gaudreau (don't see many 5'6'' NHL players)
White was brutal as a Flame. Trading him away was what turned our season around last year. He was bad defensively and invisible offensively, he was so bad that he was an addition by subtraction. And Kostopoulos is a solid 4th liner on almost any NHL team.
depth for a playoff push is never a waste, especially when the cost is a pick in the last round of the draft.
the Regehr deal was great for the Flames. Butler has literally replace Regehr on the roster and the team never lost a beat defensively, it changed things a bit in the sense that we became less physical and alot more mobile. As fgor the 2nd to dump Kotalik ownership demanded Feaster shed salary before giving the go ahead on pursuing Brad Richards, while we lost out on Richards, it was worth it.
You don't get the Cammy/Bork deal because you don't listen to what any Flames fans say and you just **** on everything the team does. Cammy is a more talented player than Bourque. He may be overpsaid but the contract also ends 2 years sooner, which lines up better with the end of all the other big contracts the Flames have. Ramo has already said he will come to Calgary when he contract in the KHL is finished.
The Langkow/Stempniak trade not only saved cap space but it got the team younger and faster and since Langkow hadn't hardly played in over a year it was like getting Stempniak for free.
You clearly have not seen Jones play since being acquired by Calgary (I never saw him before that to comment), but he has been exceptional. He is pretty close to the perfect 4th line center.
in those draft picks, Gaudrea has a shot at YOTR, Arnold has reall made himself look like a player and was one the the USAs few good players in the WJC, Reinhart has potential to be a 2nd liner, as does Ferland, but that is if everything goes right for them. Wotherspoon is a big stay at home defenseman who is improving by leaps and bounds, Granlund is more high risk but his stats as an 18 year old in Finland are nothing sort of remarkable. Every pick the Flames have made in the last 2 drafts have improved their stock and which Baertschi may be the only with star potential it is still a good sign of an improving drafting program
I wouldn't feel very happy paying $300 a ticket to go to see a "rebuilding" effort from my team.
Instead you would rather pay to watch a "contender" put in effort and lose 6-1 to the oil you scorn so much and then to Phoenix. I sure was upset last night watching Philly lose
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Originally Posted by TheGleninator
Name one move Feaster has made that hasn't made us younger?
I thought you were going for wins, half a page and you flip flop
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Originally Posted by crunchyblack
How the hell can you fix Stajan having a NMC? Who the hell would take that contract?
Feaster is doing what he can with what he has to work with. Be happy he got rid of the rest of the Toronto garbage Calgary picked up in the Phaneuf trade.
Flame fans say this and then slag the oilers for "tanking." This quote of yours applies to tambellini's job.
How the hell can you fix staois, moreau, nilsson, POS, pisani all being overpaid and sucking
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There are better deals to be had. The Flames fanbase would revolt over not getting a first round pick in this years draft. Doubt the Flames are interested in Bernier if they're trading Iginla and decide not to keep Kipper then Irving will get every opportunity to play next year. I don't think Hickey is all that interesting, and I love Brown but the package isn't good enough to support Brown as the central character.
Is there any way to institute a quiz protection on threads? By that, I mean you should need to answer a couple of basic knowledge questions about the team the thread concerns before you're allowed to post, so that more than ~10% of responses are somewhat informed.
At least the quality has risen a little over the course of the thread...
Also I'd like to put out a personal request that people quit telling the Flames to follow the same plan as <insert failure of a franchise>, but in a world where being young is treated as equivalent to being good and where draft picks are more valuable than all-stars, I guess there's little hope for that.
As for the draft - I expect Bartschi to be a good player, Reinhart has 3rd line potential, Ramage has bottom pairing potential. The rest I can't say Ferland maybe, Gaudreau (don't see many 5'6'' NHL players)
You are underrating our prospects but I wouldn't expect you to follow them to closely so its not a big deal. The majority of trades are minor but the big trades the regehr trade and bourque trade I liked from our point of view.
