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02-24-2012, 04:47 PM
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I certainly wouldn't mind McIlrath as the primary top prospect going back to Columbus in a Nash deal if one is done.

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Not certain about magnitude but given what I'm hearing, I'll be fairly surprised if Brian Burke hasn't made a deal by late-Sunday
https://twitter.com/#!/Berger_BYTES/...60805561417728

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That goes to the fact that a player is much more likely to succeed for NYR if they are brought in under the lights. Some players can play here. And some cannot. Unfortunately, most of the players that are signed/traded for, do not live up to expectations.
The problem is most of the time the expectations are way too high. Rangers sign UFA's for way too much money expecting them to be something they're not. Gomez was signed and expected to do what he did in his career year here. Instead he posted numbers similar to what he had most of his career and he was considered a bust. Drury was the same. Bottom line is if you expect the player to come here and put up the numbers they put up for most of their career chances are you wont be disappointed. Expect them to come here and put up career best numbers and you will be calling them a bust

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I know the sheer amount of trades I'm talking about isn't normal, but if the Rangers walk away on Monday with

Nash/Brown
Wideman (if he becomes available)
Pahlsson/Gaustad

That'd be a helluva a trade deadline. Adding offense up front, on the blue line, and a faceoff specialist for the playoffs.
Great idea. Hopefully guys would be able to find good chemistry by November 2012.

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I suppose the only problem is the Blue Jackets play in the NHL and not the WHL
Yep. McIlrath is at least 2-3 years away from the NHL...but we won't let Howson know that.

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02-24-2012, 04:50 PM
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fwiw, nash doesn't strike me as a new york guy. playing for the rangers is not the same as playing for the yanks, but nash strikes me as more ed whitson than reggie jackson.

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I want Dubi to score three goals tonight with an assist and three goals tomorrow with another assist so that it may reduce the package headed to Columbus for Nash.

Dubinsky can be having an identical year to what he posted last year and I would STILL trade him in a heartbeat for Nash.

I like Dubi, but he's no Nash....not even close.

We have enough guys on the roster that can play solid defence the way that Dubi does.

We DO NOT have enough guys that can do what Nash does.

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02-24-2012, 04:52 PM
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Really. REALLY?! You think that the problem with Dubinsky is one of effort?! Game after game, Dubinsky is flying out there. His line is always the one people are noticing for positive reasons. I've lost count of the number of times that poster after poster in the PGT have said "Dubinsky was one of our best players--shame he didn't pot one." His shot total and his shooting percentage are both way down this season. It's in his head. He'll snap out of it. But to question his effort? You've officially just notified the rest of the board that you don't watch the games. Thanks for letting us know.
No, I love Dubinsky's effort. But, its only natural to let go of that extra something when you already got your pay day.

Regardless, that isn't the point. Dubinsky is not a star in this league. He's an average player at best. The fans have an emotional connection with him, he's been here for SIX years already. He is who he is. Are you looking for him to finally 'break out' and put up ridiculous numbers? No, he's not going too. Like I said, we know who he is as a player. I love him as a player, but not as much as I would love Nash's production on a team like ours.

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Nash is the one with a copious track record of not showing up for his team. He's a floater who plays hard on HIS terms. If we do trade for Nash (and if we do, I hope to God I'm wrong here), it will be an unmitigated disaster. I give it 10-15 games before he starts hurting the team on the ice, and 1 to 2 years before this board turns on him.
Nice opinion, but his numbers tell a different story, and thats him playing on the worst team in the league the past nine years. Him having the opportunity to play with the guys we have, on an inspired team looking to go deep in the playoffs and a realistic shot at winning the stanley cup is enough motivation for him to kick ass and do what he does best. Score. Something we need.

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02-24-2012, 04:53 PM
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I want Dubi to score three goals tonight with an assist and three goals tomorrow with another assist so that it may reduce the package headed to Columbus for Nash.

Dubinsky can be having an identical year to what he posted last year and I would STILL trade him in a heartbeat for Nash.

I like Dubi, but he's no Nash....not even close.

We have enough guys on the roster that can play solid defence the way that Dubi does.

We DO NOT have enough guys that can do what Nash does.
Not even close? Dubi=50 pt player, Nash= 60 pt player. Only one of them is extremely over rated for no reason.

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02-24-2012, 04:56 PM
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fwiw, nash doesn't strike me as a new york guy. playing for the rangers is not the same as playing for the yanks, but nash strikes me as more ed whitson than reggie jackson.
So you know Mr. Nash personally do you?

I'm getting tired of people assuming they know who Nash is, what he's all about, how hard he tries, and what is personality/temperament is.

I bet 95% of you haven't seen more than 15 CBJ games since Nash has been there. You assume he's a scorer on a bad team so that must mean he cherry picks, is lazy, etc.

Cut the guy some slack because I bet most of you base your opinions of rumors you hear of him.

Sather and Torts know the type of players that will be successful in this system. If they are targeting Nash then they understand he's a more than capable two way power forward which his team lacks.

Sorry this response is targeted at you egelband but it's a compilation of 2 weeks of frustration.

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02-24-2012, 04:57 PM
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Rangers' primary focus is on getting Nash at what they feel is appropriate cost.
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Not even close? Dubi=50 pt player, Nash= 60 pt player. Only one of them is extremely over rated for no reason.
Dubi has always scored in the 40's, with his one breakout year he scored 54 last season.
Nash always scores in the high 60's, with most of his points being goals, in his career year scoring 79.
We are talking 25 point difference here. Not 10. Also, most of Nash's points are goals, while Dubi's are not.

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I actually see it the other way. If they move Nash, who is going to buy tickets? They do have home games left. They could probably use that revenue. And they were the worst team in the league with Vermette, Carter and Nash. Imagine how bad they'll be for the rest of the year without them . They don't want to completely turn their fanbase off in the near term. The ill will could carry over even when they start to be decent again, they'll need to make people forget this year.
fair point, but i think that logic would work better if they held on to carter. to go just halfway with a rebuild does no-one any good. and they'd be underestimating the intelligence of their fans if they tried to fool them into thinking this team would be competitive or entertaining with just nash.
(though i guess johnson and a first isn't a bad return for carter, both this year and onward.)

i still think the trade with l-a means they need to or are planning to move nash now.

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Not even close? Dubi=50 pt player, Nash= 60 pt player. Only one of them is extremely over rated for no reason.
Duby has had 50 points once, Nash has had over 65 points in each of the last 4 seasons. Not saying the guy isnt overpaid but lets not pretend they're even close when it comes to offense. The way Duby is playing hes overpaid by about the same as Nash is which is about $1.5 million.

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Appropriate cost is the key word. They aren't going to move anyone named McD, or MDZ, or prospect like Kreider.

It will be the package that is being widely reported. With Dubinsky as the centerpiece.

It's a trade you need to make in order to take this team to another level offensively.

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I'm growing more and more confident in Sather by the day

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Not even close? Dubi=50 pt player, Nash= 60 pt player. Only one of them is extremely over rated for no reason.
If one season makes Dubi a 50 point player, then Nash is a perennial 79 point, 40 goal scorer.

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Let's inject some humor into this thread.

Anyone have any witty headlines for this image? hehe


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Not even close? Dubi=50 pt player, Nash= 60 pt player. Only one of them is extremely over rated for no reason.
It's very unfortunate that Dubinsky has to be the one that's overrated for no reason isn't it?

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Oh good. ANOTHER Dubinsky vs. Nash argument. I think we've had one in each and every Nash thread.

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Dubinsky is much like Avery, in that people love them way more than is appropriate for what they bring to the table.

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Boyle: "Damn, has Dubi been working out?"


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Not even close? Dubi=50 pt player, Nash= 60 pt player. Only one of them is extremely over rated for no reason.
That is a spin of epic proportions, taking the best of one set of stats and the worst of another to try to fit a certain viewpoint. If you are trying to convince people, at least try to be objective about the way you use statistics.

There are plenty of reasons not to want to trade Dubi for Nash. To suggest that they are 10 points apart in offensive ability is not one of them, and comes across as silly.

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Why is there so much discussion about Dubinsky vs. Nash? One is a 4M player the other an 8M player. Should anyone expect Brandon to be close to the player Rick is? The issue is whether Nash is worth his 8M/year contract and whether dealing for him will be a mistake based on what it will cost to get him, what it might cost us in the future, and how close to 8M worth of production he will provide us for the next half dozen years.

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I wonder if people would be defending Dubi this much if he wasn't homegrown, and had played a season or 2 on a different team before coming here.

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