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02-25-2012, 08:19 AM
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Vapor x4.0 baking time/isntructions

Hi,

could anyone tell me the heat molding time and temperature is for bauer vapor x4.0s; I bought them from someone who bought them online only to find they don't fit. I didnt get a box with so dont have any instructions.

Im planning on going for a skate on them tomorrow to get a feel for them (before I bake) but I've heaard for the rigid skates like the 4.0s if they arent molded they wont really break in?

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Hi,

could anyone tell me the heat molding time and temperature is for bauer vapor x4.0s; I bought them from someone who bought them online only to find they don't fit. I didnt get a box with so dont have any instructions.

Im planning on going for a skate on them tomorrow to get a feel for them (before I bake) but I've heaard for the rigid skates like the 4.0s if they arent molded they wont really break in?

cheers
They're not such rigid, i baked them just because i was at the shop for sharpening and just because i knew a shop that do baking.

But you can go and try to skate without baking, and maybe if possible, bake them at a shop! It's a lot less risk than doing that at home!

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They're not such rigid, i baked them just because i was at the shop for sharpening and just because i knew a shop that do baking.

But you can go and try to skate without baking, and maybe if possible, bake them at a shop! It's a lot less risk than doing that at home!
This.

Just skate with them and break them in naturally. Even wear them at home watching TV with your skateguards on.

Baking at home runs risks of over heating the skate causing further acceleration of breakdown (glues, resins and what not, warped holders) and voiding warranty.

Oh and before someone suggests it, DON'T SHOWER WITH THEM ON. awesome

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Oh and before someone suggests it, DON'T SHOWER WITH THEM ON. awesome
Haha I was just going to sarcastically suggest that. Was that a one time suggestion? I remember seeing it and loling.

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Haha I was just going to sarcastically suggest that. Was that a one time suggestion? I remember seeing it and loling.
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thanks for the replies and tips guy!

Just been for a skate on them, local rink was surprisingly quiet for a weekend.

They fit fairly well except there seems to be a negative space problem around the front of my foot - from the arch forward.

I can lift my whole foot off the footbed inside the skate....is this because they haven't broken in and the sides in time will fold over and wrap round my foot to give a more snug feel....or are my old skates the only pair in existence that will fit my freakishly thin, flat feet?

+ Also, what is the main difference between the LSII holder and the E pro - Ive only ever learnt and skated on Epros. My tight turns on the LS2s felt very sharp and tight, but I was less in control at all times. It felt like I was pitched on my heels too much when my skates were done all the way up. Undoing the top eyelet relieved this somewhat, as I could flex more and get my weight onto the "sweetspot" I've got from muscle memory. It was somewhat awkward as I looked like such a noob in expensive skates at first, even though I'm perfectly competent (not to say Im amazing, but I can skate to a decent level of hockey gameplay)

Not sure how much I like the feel of the LS2 given Ive had such a long history of E pros

Oh dear.... :S


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thanks for the replies and tips guy!

Just been for a skate on them, local rink was surprisingly quiet for a weekend.

They fit fairly well except there seems to be a negative space problem around the front of my foot - from the arch forward.

I can lift my whole foot off the footbed inside the skate....is this because they haven't broken in and the sides in time will fold over and wrap round my foot to give a more snug feel....or are my old skates the only pair in existence that will fit my freakishly thin, flat feet?

+ Also, what is the main difference between the LSII holder and the E pro - Ive only ever learnt and skated on Epros. My tight turns on the LS2s felt very sharp and tight, but I was less in control at all times. It felt like I was pitched on my heels too much when my skates were done all the way up. Undoing the top eyelet relieved this somewhat, as I could flex more and get my weight onto the "sweetspot" I've got from muscle memory. It was somewhat awkward as I looked like such a noob in expensive skates at first, even though I'm perfectly competent (not to say Im amazing, but I can skate to a decent level of hockey gameplay)

Not sure how much I like the feel of the LS2 given Ive had such a long history of E pros

Oh dear.... :S
id say just try to get used to em.. or if they bother you that much after a while you could always get your old holder mounted on?

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id say just try to get used to em.. or if they bother you that much after a while you could always get your old holder mounted on?
Maybe, not sure many place do that sort of thing in the UK. I'll stick with them and see how it goes. By the end of the 2hr session and with the top eyelets out I could skate fine in them, except for this negative space issue up front - do you think it will close up over time? These are vapors in D which is supposed to be quite narrow, so I would imagine there should no negative space up front

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Maybe, not sure many place do that sort of thing in the UK. I'll stick with them and see how it goes. By the end of the 2hr session and with the top eyelets out I could skate fine in them, except for this negative space issue up front - do you think it will close up over time? These are vapors in D which is supposed to be quite narrow, so I would imagine there should no negative space up front
honestly i would get em baked, that way you will know if that space is gonna stay or go away faster. It would suck to skate in those for longer than you need to if the problem does not go away

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You can lift your whole foot? Or just the forefoot?

LS2s will feel different that the E Pros, but you can adjust with minimal issue I would think.

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I have the x3.0's..I had them molded..I wear a 7.5D..I can lift/wiggle my toes a bit(I think that has to do with the design of the toe cap) but I can't lift my whole foot up..Pull the insul out and put your foot in it on the floor and make sure the skates aren't too big..I can put my skates on without laces and wiggle my foot around in the air and my skates stay snug on my feet

I also went from the e-pros to ls2's..It took a little adjustment but everything felt normal after a couple skates

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When I bought my skates I got them baked at the shop, but my wife wanted a pair so she could skate with me every now and again so we got her a cheaper pair at Sports Authority and obviously they were not going to bake them.

When she initially put them on the boot was not snug to her foot at all so I figured I would bake them for her. Being that the skates were not that much and she was not a serious skater I thought it would be worth the risk.

I followed these instructions from ice warehouse on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBqRt701oZQ

The instructions were really easy to follow and since it was ice warehouse and not just some dude on youtube I trusted it a little more.

The results were great as the boot now wraps around her foot and is much more comfortable.

There are some risks as others said but the temps used in the video are pretty low and the time in the oven is not very long. You need to decide if the risk is worth it for you or not.

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If you can lift your forefoot off the footbed even with your skates tight, those skates do not fit you and baking will likely do little to nothing in that regard. That would explain why you felt like you were on your heels.

I have narrow/low volume feet as well and the Vapors are not narrow or low volume enough for me either. My $.02 is get professionally fitted in a pair of Grafs that are right for your foot shape.

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I have "spare room" from just before the ball of my foot is - roughly around the 3rd/4th eyelet. I can lift this part away from the footbed. Its a little off putting as Ive always skated with my foot planted/locked onto the footbed.

Like I say, I looked like such a noob skater when in fact Ive skated for a number of years now and even worked full time on an ice rink for a stretch, so , to me, these don't feel right currently

If where the tongue joins the toecap was a bit lower it would be flush to my foot, but the cap is high, and as things are there is room.

My old skates (CCM vector 3 2007) used to feel quite snug round this part - they were a fantastic fit, but I think it was because they were so soft and flexible. The latest U+ CCMs are, I think, too V shaped. The heel pocket was decent when I tried them briefly, but the forefoot and in step were larger than I can fill - Are the U range really a different shape to past CCMs or is that just my imagination?

If I could I'd go back to the 2009 or 2007 vectors but a higher model, unfortunately the UK by and large only has stores that stock whole UK shoe sizes only, when I virtually always need a 9.5, and most are only stocking the U+s. I'm gonna be living in Germany soon, so I might just wait and resume the hunt for freaky-shaped skates that might fit then.


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I have never tried doing it at home but..


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As long as everyone understands that a home baking is not ideal and carries the risks...

Don't complain if you screw it up, and don't blame the manufacturer or the retailer!

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