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02-25-2012, 09:12 PM
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Not a chance from the Oilers side

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02-25-2012, 09:17 PM
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It's funny how this:

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Can Luke go to the AHL?
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Schenn is so freaking bad.
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Schenn ur pathetic
converts into this at trade threads:
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If Schenn is going to be traded, it's going to be in a package for either a really good goalie, or a really good forward.
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You don't trade your big name Dman for a little help in net from a veteran and a questionable 2nd line center.

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02-25-2012, 09:18 PM
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Pretty decent actually. Oilers drop some ugly cap in Khabby and move from a position of strength (small forward) to one of weakness in a top pairing D-man (on the Oilers at least).
1.The Oilers are not deep at centre so that kills this trade right away.
2. Devan Dubnyk is not ready for #1 duties and Gus is not an upgrade or a mentor.
3. The Oilers do not need to dump salary
4. Schenn isnt an upgrade on Smid, and will not ever be a true top pairing dman. The Oilers have 4-5 2nd pairing defenseman now

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02-25-2012, 10:43 PM
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1.The Oilers are not deep at centre so that kills this trade right away.
2. Devan Dubnyk is not ready for #1 duties and Gus is not an upgrade or a mentor.
3. The Oilers do not need to dump salary
4. Schenn isnt an upgrade on Smid, and will not ever be a true top pairing dman. The Oilers have 4-5 2nd pairing defenseman now
Well I agree with you that we don't need more 5/6 d men. But would rather have a defence of

Smid Petry
Whitney Gilbert
Sutton Barker
Potter

or
Smid Gilbert
Petry Schenn
Sutton Whitney (injury prone)
Potter/Methot?

Having NHL defensemen makes a big difference.

Good Teams play 3/4 guys in 5/6 spots.
the more 3/4 guys we have playing 5/6 minutes the better rounded our defensive core will be. It's called depth and it protects against 1. Burning players out ala 27 or 28 minutes for first D pairs.And 2. Injury mishaps during an 82 game season ala Ryan Whitney. When this team had a healthy D line they were keeping pace with the pack. As soon as Injuries/Suspensions started piling up they slipped away. I said it at the start of the season if EDM D stay's healthy the will challenge for a playoff spot. I STAND BY THIS IF THE OILERS CAN SOMEHOW SHORE UP THE D THIS SUMMER THEY WILL CHALLENGE FOR A SPOT NEXT YEAR.

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02-25-2012, 10:53 PM
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Holy ****, I always see you turn every Oiler - Leaf thread into a pissing match, chill out buddy your way too sensitive when other fans criticize your team's players.
The irony!

Anyways, I'd like Schenn, but he's quite overrated IMO.

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02-25-2012, 10:55 PM
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Gagner is kind of underrated IMO only 22 and has 5 40+ point seasons. He is second in career points from the 07 draft only behind Kane. And this season he is 31th in centre scoring while missing some games.

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02-25-2012, 11:13 PM
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It's funny how this:






converts into this at trade threads:
About as funny as Gagner's spike in value following a whole week of posting great numbers. Before the 8 point event, Gagner wouldn't get you a sniff at Schenn's ass, let's not pretend things have changed so much.

The real issue here is not player value, it's team needs, and Gagner doesn't help us out at all. Khabby may be an upgrade on our current goaltenders, but is a short term solution at best. The Leafs can do better for Schenn, a Month ago he was believed to be worth JVR.

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02-25-2012, 11:15 PM
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The irony!

Anyways, I'd like Schenn, but he's quite overrated IMO.
Nobody is over rating him, he is a solid 2nd pairing D-man. What I'm unclear on is why Oilers fans feel we should trade him for assets that will fail to make us a better team beyond this season?

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02-25-2012, 11:32 PM
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02-25-2012, 11:34 PM
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Nobody is over rating him, he is a solid 2nd pairing D-man. What I'm unclear on is why Oilers fans feel we should trade him for assets that will fail to make us a better team beyond this season?
funny, I could swear the guy with "Leafs" in his name is a Leafs fan, and that he was the one who made the proposal, not the Oiler fans.

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02-25-2012, 11:35 PM
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About as funny as Gagner's spike in value following a whole week of posting great numbers. Before the 8 point event, [get you a sniff at Schenn's ass,[/B] let's not pretend things have changed so much.

The real issue here is not player value, it's team needs, and Gagner doesn't help us out at all. Khabby may be an upgrade on our current goaltenders, but is a short term solution at best. The Leafs can do better for Schenn, a Month ago he was believed to be worth JVR.
You could get a wiff of it from a long way how much he has stunk this year.

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02-25-2012, 11:49 PM
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funny, I could swear the guy with "Leafs" in his name is a Leafs fan, and that he was the one who made the proposal, not the Oiler fans.
Yeah, I'm still trying to connect those dots. I should clarify that I like Gagner, liked him in London, like him in Edmonton. The problem is that we have zero need for 2nd and 3rd line centerman. The OP doesn't help Toronto (or Edmonton apparently) so let's agree to disagree.

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02-25-2012, 11:50 PM
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You could get a wiff of it from a long way how much he has stunk this year.
Just a guess here.... is that you in your avatar?

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02-25-2012, 11:51 PM
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Just a guess here.... is that you in your avatar?
No but im sure that is you in yours

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02-25-2012, 11:57 PM
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id prob do this
Who becomes the Oilers #2C after Gagner is traded? Horcoff? May god help us!!!

Schenn has nice potential but he's not a proven top 4 defenseman which is the only return i want if Gagner is traded and even then, i would be hesitant because the Oilers don't have any viable replacements for Gagner in the top 6 and no, the hope of drafting Grigorenko and having him step into the top 6 right away is not a good option.

I don't get why Leafs fans are laughing at this trade, Grabovski could very well be gone and can they count on Connelly? Gagner is a better player than Schenn now and might always be, he's only 22 so there is still room to grow.

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02-26-2012, 12:24 AM
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Done, then we trade Grabo for a 1st (the 5 mill + cap space can be use for something else). Who do u have in mind as a minor salary dump?
Armstrong?

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02-26-2012, 12:29 AM
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To Toronto:

Sam Gagner
Nikolai Khabibulin
3rd or 4th


To Edmonton:

Luke Schenn
Jonas Gustavson
minor salary dump
Since mid NOV Gagner is the 12 best point forward. at 37Pt. 2 pt ahead of Kessel.
Peckham has better even numbers than Schenn and top 60 Pk versus schenn the second worst in league on PK.

I counter
to edmonton
Kessel
gustafson
3rd

To toronto
Peckham
Danis
Salary dump.

A both a little silly huh!

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02-26-2012, 12:33 AM
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02-26-2012, 12:37 AM
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Well I agree with you that we don't need more 5/6 d men. But would rather have a defence of

Smid Petry
Whitney Gilbert
Sutton Barker
Potter

or
Smid Gilbert
Petry Schenn
Sutton Whitney (injury prone)
Potter/Methot?

Having NHL defensemen makes a big difference.

Good Teams play 3/4 guys in 5/6 spots.
the more 3/4 guys we have playing 5/6 minutes the better rounded our defensive core will be. It's called depth and it protects against 1. Burning players out ala 27 or 28 minutes for first D pairs.And 2. Injury mishaps during an 82 game season ala Ryan Whitney. When this team had a healthy D line they were keeping pace with the pack. As soon as Injuries/Suspensions started piling up they slipped away. I said it at the start of the season if EDM D stay's healthy the will challenge for a playoff spot. I STAND BY THIS IF THE OILERS CAN SOMEHOW SHORE UP THE D THIS SUMMER THEY WILL CHALLENGE FOR A SPOT NEXT YEAR.
Sure the defense looks better but our centres would be -
RNH-Horcoff-Belanger-Lander

Goaltending
Dubnyk-Gus

No thanks

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02-26-2012, 01:50 AM
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terrible
ya... Why would you want a guy who would instantly become your #1 center?...


I don't do it from the Oiler point of view. Maybe Gags for Schenn and a mid pick at the draft if we end up taking Grigorenko and management feels he cans step into Gags place next season. It's tough replacing character guys that go to battle every game though...

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02-26-2012, 02:33 AM
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I hear so much about how strong the Oilers defence is (at least as compared to Toronto) and how good Gagner is since he's the 12th leading scorer since November, and Eberle is a top 10 scorer and RNH and Hall are such great young players and Khabibulan is such a good goalie, I don't understand why they have shown absolutely no progress, despite a support role from Smyth and Hemsky and Horcoff etc etc.

As a Leaf fan, out support veterans have been in the press box or injured, but the Leafs, as crap as Y'all keep telling us we are, are better than the Oilers.

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02-26-2012, 03:04 AM
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why would oilers trade Khabi, their tank commander?

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02-26-2012, 03:06 AM
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why would oilers trade Khabi, their tank commander?
No point having a year end party to celebrate the draft lottery if you didn't tank properly.

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02-26-2012, 03:47 AM
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The only way Schenn gets traded is if a top 3 fw is coming Toronto's way and Sam Gagner (tho a solid player) is best served on the 2nd line.

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The only way Schenn gets traded is if a top 3 fw is coming Toronto's way and Sam Gagner (tho a solid player) is best served on the 2nd line.
I like Schenn and all, but he (or a package with him as the centre-piece) is not landing you a 1st line C. But if you feel it is is, good luck with your shopping.

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