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02-26-2012, 01:44 PM
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What 28 year old male has fully matured

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02-26-2012, 01:51 PM
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i think players playing to their potential is far rarer than you want to give credit for.
I agree with this....ive often said 28 is crushed on here for what he isnt and not appreciated for what he is.

History is filled with skilled players who put up good numbers but had the potential to do more. Hell....if Bondra had been more consistant he would have netted 600 goals....yet he is loved....but was still a very streaky player

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What 28 year old male has fully matured
Didn't you know? Life ends at 30.

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02-26-2012, 02:17 PM
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I agree with this....ive often said 28 is crushed on here for what he isnt and not appreciated for what he is.

History is filled with skilled players who put up good numbers but had the potential to do more. Hell....if Bondra had been more consistant he would have netted 600 goals....yet he is loved....but was still a very streaky player
That's fine, but the problem is that we're paying him for what he isn't.

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02-26-2012, 02:25 PM
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We're not paying him to be Datsyuk. He'd be making as much as Ovechkin. That's nonsense. Vanek makes more and has done less, just by way of one example.

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02-26-2012, 02:30 PM
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We're not paying him to be Datsyuk. He'd be making as much as Ovechkin. That's nonsense. Vanek makes more and has done less, just by way of one example.
Regardless, we're certainly not paying him to be a 50 point producer. Two years running.

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02-26-2012, 02:40 PM
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Regardless, we're certainly not paying him to be a 50 point producer. Two years running.
30pts in the last 31 games. why dont you want to see how he is playing now?

btw...do you beat down ovechkin as regularly and with as much gusto as you do semin? seems to me that 8 is producing less of what he is getting paid for over the past two seasons than 28.

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02-26-2012, 02:49 PM
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Regardless, we're certainly not paying him to be a 50 point producer. Two years running.
I think it's already been asked: What is Ovechkin being paid to do? Like txpd just said, he is much further from his appropriate production than Semin, and he can't even play defense.

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02-26-2012, 03:16 PM
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I think it's already been asked: What is Ovechkin being paid to do? Like txpd just said, he is much further from his appropriate production than Semin, and he can't even play defense.
I know it's already been stated a dozen times: Oveckin's contract isn't up after this season. Semin's is.

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02-26-2012, 03:32 PM
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I know it's already been stated a dozen times: Oveckin's contract isn't up after this season. Semin's is.
Sounds like Ovechkin's situation should be cause for much more concern than Semin's then.

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02-26-2012, 03:34 PM
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Sounds like Ovechkin's situation should be cause for much more concern than Semin's then.
Who said there's concern for Semin's situation? It's merely a debate about whether to bring him back or not -- which is a decision that has to be made by July 1.

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02-26-2012, 04:06 PM
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Regardless, we're certainly not paying him to be a 50 point producer. Two years running.
Yep. Paying him to be a point per game guy, and he's been that over his career.

Bit down this season, but it's not like he's getting 8 a season.

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02-26-2012, 05:15 PM
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I don't think people realize what an achievement being a PPG player for 30 straight games on this current incarnation of the team is.

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02-26-2012, 05:18 PM
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30pts in the last 31 games. why dont you want to see how he is playing now?
He has stretches like this every year. And with the exception of 2009, has not sustained them. In any context greater than these past 30 games, his recent play means nothing to me.

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btw...do you beat down ovechkin as regularly and with as much gusto as you do semin? seems to me that 8 is producing less of what he is getting paid for over the past two seasons than 28.
I think Ovechkin is an absolute dog. The difference is that we have an opportunity to cut bait on Semin this offseason.

But to your implication, there's no reason to guess who "seems" less productive. Over the past two seasons, they're both dogs:

Semin - $141k/point
Ovechkin - $143k/point

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02-26-2012, 05:25 PM
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I think Ovechkin is an absolute dog. The difference is that we have an opportunity to cut bait on Semin this offseason.
Yea? And who we getting to replace his production?

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02-26-2012, 05:27 PM
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Yea? And who we getting to replace his production?
If we've got $7 million to throw around we could make a reasonable push for Parise. Or our GM could do his job and reconfigure the second line into something that works financially and on ice. So that one overpaid player won't have to play with two scrubs, as you keep trumpeting.

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02-26-2012, 05:33 PM
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If we've got $7 million to throw around we could make a reasonable push for Parise. Or our GM could do his job and reconfigure the second line into something that works financially and on ice. So that one overpaid player won't have to play with two scrubs, as you keep trumpeting.
Yea, Parise? He'll get more than 6.7 mil, and a ton of teams bidding. We'd have to give a long contract, and have no clue if he fits the team any better than Semin.

And we are going to just sign a new second line? That should work well. Getting UFAs is always cheap.

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02-26-2012, 05:39 PM
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30pts in the last 31 games. why dont you want to see how he is playing now?

btw...do you beat down ovechkin as regularly and with as much gusto as you do semin? seems to me that 8 is producing less of what he is getting paid for over the past two seasons than 28.
30 points in 31 games is great.....so the Caps don't have to pay him for the other 50 games?

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Yea, Parise? He'll get more than 6.7 mil, and a ton of teams bidding. We'd have to give a long contract, and have no clue if he fits the team any better than Semin.

And we are going to just sign a new second line? That should work well. Getting UFAs is always cheap.
He'll probably score more than 50 points!

Yes, bringing in new players is a gamble. But keeping the same players gets us...underachievement? I think I'll gamble.

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02-26-2012, 05:45 PM
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without semin we are probably last in the conference, give him credit

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Yeah, Parise, who has 11 more points in 3 more games while playing in an offensive system with Ilya Kovalchuk and a capable NHL center is totally the answer.

Might as well trade everything for Max Talbot, he's on pace for 20 goals I'm sure he could do it here!

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02-26-2012, 06:50 PM
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30pts in the last 31 games. why dont you want to see how he is playing now?

btw...do you beat down ovechkin as regularly and with as much gusto as you do semin? seems to me that 8 is producing less of what he is getting paid for over the past two seasons than 28.
Is your thought that if you keep typing this over and over in every single Caps related thread, that some will eventually be foolish enough to get excited over this?

I think I've see you type it at least 3 times today.

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02-26-2012, 06:51 PM
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without semin we are probably last in the conference, give him credit
Nobody is discounting Semin's importance in a last ditch run to the playoffs. This is what his fans can't seem to understand. Most of his critics (like me) can easily appreciate his skills and hot streaks but can also see that it's not enough for just shy of $7 mil a season. I want more on and off the ice for that price.

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02-26-2012, 06:53 PM
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The straw man being that no one is suggesting bringing him back for 7 million.

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02-26-2012, 06:59 PM
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Hemsky, 5g, 26 pts. $5 mil per. That's all that needs to be said by Semin's team.

Do you really see Gandler accepting a paycut? You guys who think Semin is coming down to a reasonable $5 mil'ish salary need to wake the hell up. The straw man is that Semin is going to take a big paycut.

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