Offseason? You want to talk about the offseason?

nickschultzfan · 02-15-2012, 10:26 AM

People should keep in mind that the difference between 13th and 4th in the West is tiny. Injuries and mindset is everything.

Billy Mays Here · 02-15-2012, 10:19 PM

Zids for captain!!!

ShutDownDefense · 02-15-2012, 11:39 PM

A bit off topic, but the main thread on the Wild's fortunes on the main board just has me up in arms. Oh man going from 1st overall to now is just comedy for the main board.

Maybe, next year we'll wait a bit longer until we shove it everyone's faces.

thestonedkoala · 02-16-2012, 12:47 AM

BTW; better names out there on defense than offense this offseason...keep that in mind.

Jarick · 02-16-2012, 07:31 AM

who do you like on D? we should probably get some names beyond suter and carle

squidz* · 02-16-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo

BTW; better names out there on defense than offense this offseason...keep that in mind.

Considering the names for forwards are Parise and...I guess Semin is UFA isn't he? Yeah, that's it.

The names on defense are Suter...Carle...Wideman (probably will be re-signed) and a bunch of guys on the wrong side of 30.

Free agent market this year is beyond weak.

**bozak911** · 02-22-2012, 12:36 PM

Well, I looked at the summer UFA D-Men finally...

In looking at the summer crop of UFA defensemen, about the only one that I would consider as a viable Suter alternatives would be Matt Carle or Colaiacovo.

Out of the two, I like what Colaiacovo brings to the table, but I also don't like his injury history. We don't need a dman which is injury prone.

Carle will more than likely be re-signed by the Flyers.

A veteran that has always intrigued me with the way he plays the game is Corvo, but I know a lot of folks here aren't high on him. His first pass is probably better than everyone the Wild has right now, minus Spurgeon.

He is also a good point man on the power play, but needs a feeder to be effective. His shot isn't all that great, but he is a good alternative to the high price tag that others will cost.

Jason Garrison is intriguing, but my opinion is tempered by the fact that he has benefited from playing with Campbell a lot. His numbers are inflated because of that and I don't want to get into a Jeff Schultz type of situation where he looks really good alongside Green, but then sucks ballz when Green goes out of the lineup.

I dunno... I'd like to look at picking up a good PMD that is actually under contract, but that skillset is apparently becoming something of a rarity...

squidz* · 02-22-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bozak911

Carle will more than likely be re-signed by the Flyers.

Can't say I agree. The Flyers are in the 8th circle of cap hell. They need to sign 2+ defensemen, give Vorachek a raise, and replace Jagr all for under $6MM + Cap increase. Assuming Vorachek gets $4MM, you're looking at 2D + top 6 wing for around $8MM. Carle will probably make close to his current salary so that's $3.5MM if he's signed. Unless they pull in some ELCs they're going to have some issues. And then there's the Pronger issues...

Minnesota · 02-22-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutDownDefense

Maybe, next year we'll wait a bit longer until we shove it everyone's faces.

I'd say we don't brag about being high in the standings... Always seems to backfire. To every team.

tyratoku · 02-22-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by squidz

Can't say I agree. The Flyers are in the 8th circle of cap hell. They need to sign 2+ defensemen, give Vorachek a raise, and replace Jagr all for under $6MM + Cap increase. Assuming Vorachek gets $4MM, you're looking at 2D + top 6 wing for around $8MM. Carle will probably make close to his current salary so that's $3.5MM if he's signed. Unless they pull in some ELCs they're going to have some issues. And then there's the Pronger issues...

I had a big post going about how Voracek and Jagr are going to be resigned and who they are going to drop and all this...and I ended up coming to the conclusion that they are still ****ed

Maybe trade Briere to Montreal for a package including Subban? Would solve problems on both teams. Montreal wants a Quebecois/French-Canadian face of the franchise, Briere could be that guy. Philly needs help on the back-end, Subban could be a troll that fits in well with the rest of the team?

thestonedkoala · 02-25-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by squidz

The names on defense are Suter...Carle...Wideman (probably will be re-signed) and a bunch of guys on the wrong side of 30.
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Danny Syvret
Chris Campoli
Matt Gilroy
Sami Lepisto
Matt Smaby (hometown kid too!)
David Liffiton
Milan Jurcina
Jeff Woywitka
Johnny Oduya
Mike Commodore

There are a lot of serviceable defenseman in this year's UFA. Yeah no top tier guys but a lot of guys that can eat up minutes.

saywut · 02-26-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo

Danny Syvret
Chris Campoli
Matt Gilroy
Sami Lepisto
Matt Smaby (hometown kid too!)
David Liffiton
Milan Jurcina
Jeff Woywitka
Johnny Oduya
Mike Commodore

There are a lot of serviceable defenseman in this year's UFA. Yeah no top tier guys but a lot of guys that can eat up minutes.

There's only 1 guy on that list who's guaranteed to be in the NHL next year.

thestonedkoala · 02-26-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by saywut

There's only 1 guy on that list who's guaranteed to be in the NHL next year.

I see actually a few. If Lundin can get a job...

nickschultzfan · 02-26-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo

Danny Syvret
Chris Campoli
Matt Gilroy
Sami Lepisto
Matt Smaby (hometown kid too!)
David Liffiton
Milan Jurcina
Jeff Woywitka
Johnny Oduya
Mike Commodore

There are a lot of serviceable defenseman in this year's UFA. Yeah no top tier guys but a lot of guys that can eat up minutes.

I'm agreeing with saywut. None of those guys move the needle. Suter or bust. With Zidlicky gone, we can throw big, big money at Suter without hurting the team.

I look at our situation a lot like Chicago's a few seasons before they won the cup. Yeah, Campbell's contract was HUGE. But that guy was very, very important to their team and the blueline started sucking the moment he left. When they signed him, they gave him #1 money when everyone thought he wasn't a #1 guy. And at that time Seabrook was very inconsistent and nobody understood Keith's ceiling. But the funny thing is that it didn't really matter that Campbell wasn't a true #1 Dman. What mattered was that he was a big position of need and once he was on that blueline, everybody just fit and started clicking.

But Campbell gets signed, he takes pressure off Keith and Seabrook, who both took the next step. Then you have a rookie Hjarm stepping up, and a vet Sopel locking down the #5. Bam, solid blueline is born.

Not saying that Suter would turn the Wild's blueline into the Hawks when they won the cup, but I think he would go a long, long way in creating a very good blueline.

Suter, Schultz, Spurgeon, and Schultz would be a decent top-4 while Brodin, Falk, and Prosser grew into their own. And when that happens, our blueline will be very good.

saywut · 02-26-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo

I see actually a few. If Lundin can get a job...

Lundin was a top-4 d-man on a playoff team last year. While a few of those players will be in the NHL next year, only one is guaranteed to be there. I know I wouldn't give a 1-way contract to any of the other 9.

nickschultzfan · 02-26-2012, 04:20 PM

I wonder if Fletcher would trade a forward prospect for a quality top-4 Dman if he strikes out on free agency.

Avder · 02-26-2012, 06:46 PM

Oh yeah, we still have Lundin dont we.

Huh.

We should probably try to trade him at this point shouldnt we?

Billy Mays Here · 02-27-2012, 12:37 AM

At this point I'm getting kinda hesitant about how much we'll actually be able to get this off-season via free-agency. Weren't we saying last year how much better this year's free agency would be player-wise and now everyone's saying it's another weak class.

Aside from Carle and Suter, what free agent d-men are even worth going after this year? Wideman and Campoli maybe?

thestonedkoala · 02-27-2012, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by saywut

Lundin was a top-4 d-man on a playoff team last year. While a few of those players will be in the NHL next year, only one is guaranteed to be there. I know I wouldn't give a 1-way contract to any of the other 9.

They have all proven they can play in the NHL though.

nickschultzfan · 02-27-2012, 08:18 AM

Suter, Carle, or Wideman, that's pretty much it.

squidz* · 02-27-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WILDhockeyfan

At this point I'm getting kinda hesitant about how much we'll actually be able to get this off-season via free-agency. Weren't we saying last year how much better this year's free agency would be player-wise and now everyone's saying it's another weak class.

Aside from Carle and Suter, what free agent d-men are even worth going after this year? Wideman and Campoli maybe?

All the good free agents re-signed already. Heck, even the not so good ones have re-signed.

squidz* · 02-27-2012, 08:41 AM

As for the list of Free Agent Defensemen, use Capgeek's list:

Link

A quick c/p of those under 30 from that has:

Wideman, Dennis » D WAS 28 $3,937,500 2012 (UFA)
Suter, Ryan » D NAS 27 $3,500,000 2012 (UFA)
Carle, Matt » D PHI 27 $3,437,500 2012 (UFA)
Colaiacovo, Carlo » D STL 29 $2,125,000 2012 (UFA)
Morrisonn, Shaone » D BUF 29 $2,075,000 2012 (UFA)
Campoli, Chris » D MTL 27 $1,750,000 2012 (UFA)
Grossman, Nicklas » D PHI 27 $1,625,000 2012 (UFA)
Jurcina, Milan » D NYI 28 $1,600,000 2012 (UFA)
Hunwick, Matt » D COL 26 $1,550,000 2012 (UFA)
O'Brien, Shane » D COL 28 $1,100,000 2012 (UFA)
Gilroy, Matt » D TBL 27 $1,000,000 2012 (UFA)
Lundin, Mike » D MIN 27 $1,000,000 2012 (UFA)
Eminger, Steve » D NYR 28 $800,000 2012 (UFA)
Lepisto, Sami » D CHI 27 $750,000 2012 (UFA)
Rome, Aaron » D VAN 28 $750,000 2012 (UFA)
Sulzer, Alexander » D VAN 27 $700,000 2012 (UFA)
Meech, Derek » D WIN 27 $700,000 2012 (UFA)
Garrison, Jason » D FLA 27 $675,000 2012 (UFA)
Woywitka, Jeff » D NYR 28 $650,000 2012 (UFA)
Reese, Dylan » D NYI 27 $635,250 2012 (UFA)
Oystrick, Nathan » D PHO 29 $600,000 2012 (UFA)
Roy, Mathieu » D CAR 28 $600,000 2012 (UFA)
McKelvie, Zach » D BOS 27 $600,000 2012 (UFA)
Smaby, Matt » D ANA 27 $600,000 2012 (UFA)
Fortunus, Maxime » D DAL 28 $587,500 2012 (UFA)
Stoner, Clayton » D MIN 27 $550,000 2012 (UFA)
Johnson, Aaron » D CLB 28 $550,000 2012 (UFA)
Callahan, Joe » D MTL 29 $550,000 2012 (UFA)
Harrold, Peter » D NJD 28 $550,000 2012 (UFA)
Liffiton, David » D COL 27 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Syvret, Danny » D STL 26 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Spang, Dan » D DAL 28 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Flood, Mark » D WIN 27 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Sullivan, Sean » D FLA 27 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Bell, Brendan » D NYR 28 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Collins, Sean » D WAS 28 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Miskovic, Zach » D WAS 26 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Richmond, Danny » D COL 27 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Rodney, Bryan » D EDM 27 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Gervais, Bruno » D TBL 27 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Petiot, Richard » D TBL 29 $525,000 2012 (UFA)
Moore, Mike » D SAN 27 $512,500 2012 (UFA)
Scott, John » D CHI 29 $512,500 2012 (UFA)
McIver, Nathan » D BOS 27 $512,500 2012 (UFA)

Jarick · 02-27-2012, 10:40 AM

I'm going to throw those into a table. Should be interesting.

Jarick · 02-27-2012, 10:53 AM

Name	Team	Age	Cap Hit	GP	G	A	Pts	+/-	PIM	Hits	Blk Sh
Nicklas Lidstrom	DET	41	6.200	62	10	21	31	25	24	37	72
Michal Rozsival	PHO	33	5.000	34	0	7	7	5	16	41	53
Dennis Wideman	WAS	28	3.938	62	10	28	38	-3	28	88	93
Pavel Kubina	PHI	34	3.850	55	3	8	11	0	61	99	106
Jaroslav Spacek	CAR	38	3.833	37	3	9	12	3	6	23	61
Brad Stuart	DET	32	3.750	62	5	10	15	16	21	139	92
Filip Kuba	OTT	35	3.700	55	5	18	23	20	20	43	117
Barret Jackman	STL	30	3.625	61	1	9	10	14	38	76	106
Cory Sarich	CGY	33	3.600	46	1	3	4	-6	54	99	45
Johnny Oduya	WIN	30	3.500	63	2	11	13	-9	33	53	98
Ryan Suter	NAS	27	3.500	59	7	30	37	11	28	35	85
Jeff Finger	TOR	32	3.500	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Matt Carle	PHI	27	3.438	61	4	27	31	4	26	39	121
Bryan Allen	CAR	31	2.900	62	0	8	8	1	58	83	134
Bryce Salvador	NJD	36	2.900	61	0	5	5	10	36	80	81
Mark Eaton	NYI	34	2.500	47	1	3	4	-12	8	41	95
Hal Gill	NAS	36	2.250	57	1	8	9	-3	35	55	129
Joe Corvo	BOS	34	2.250	60	3	19	22	11	13	22	45
Radek Martinek	CLB	35	2.200	7	1	0	1	-3	0	5	7
Carlo Colaiacovo	STL	29	2.125	46	2	13	15	9	12	42	59
Shaone Morrisonn	BUF	29	2.075	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sami Salo	VAN	37	2.000	52	8	12	20	9	8	17	51
Adrian Aucoin	PHO	38	2.000	52	2	5	7	12	34	85	56
Greg Zanon	MIN	31	1.933	39	2	4	6	-1	14	77	104
Kurtis Foster	MIN	30	1.800	38	4	10	14	-13	31	37	24
Chris Campoli	MTL	27	1.750	24	2	4	6	-4	4	17	28
Kurt Sauer	PHO	31	1.750	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sheldon Souray	DAL	35	1.650	50	5	14	19	13	61	46	66
Nicklas Grossman	PHI	27	1.625	56	0	8	8	3	28	108	106
Steve Staios	NYI	38	1.600	48	0	7	7	-13	43	46	104
Milan Jurcina	NYI	28	1.600	51	2	5	7	-28	24	132	95
Matt Hunwick	COL	26	1.550	14	1	1	2	-2	2	12	10
Brett Clark	TBL	35	1.500	62	2	10	12	-24	20	95	145
Francis Bouillon	NAS	36	1.350	47	0	7	7	1	27	83	47
Randy Jones	WIN	30	1.150	28	1	0	1	1	6	15	27
Shane O'Brien	COL	28	1.100	58	2	12	14	0	87	108	57
Colin White	SAN	34	1.000	42	1	3	4	-6	17	47	70
Matt Gilroy	TBL	27	1.000	53	2	15	17	2	16	49	57
Mike Lundin	MIN	27	1.000	17	0	2	2	-1	4	3	35
Jim Vandermeer	SAN	32	1.000	19	0	3	3	2	33	10	10
Brad Lukowich	DAL	35	1.000	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mike Commodore	DET	32	1.000	17	0	2	2	3	21	32	19
Scott Hannan	CGY	33	1.000	58	2	8	10	-7	18	45	98
Kent Huskins	STL	32	1.000	13	2	3	5	8	2	3	20
Sean O'Donnell	CHI	40	0.850	45	0	7	7	-4	17	44	38
Steve Eminger	NYR	28	0.800	37	2	3	5	2	28	56	48
Mike Mottau	NYI	33	0.800	29	0	2	2	-10	15	27	42
Sami Lepisto	CHI	27	0.750	21	1	1	2	4	4	20	8
Aaron Rome	VAN	28	0.750	34	4	6	10	-1	42	56	51
Sheldon Brookbank	ANA	31	0.750	60	2	8	10	10	52	88	86
Dean Arsene	PHO	31	0.725	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brett Lebda	CLB	30	0.700	10	1	0	1	-4	2	6	7
Matt Carkner	OTT	31	0.700	24	1	1	2	-3	29	41	25
Alexander Sulzer	VAN	27	0.700	12	0	1	1	6	2	6	14
Derek Meech	WIN	27	0.700	2	0	0	0	1	4	1	0
Jason Garrison	FLA	27	0.675	56	13	11	24	8	16	94	97
Tyler Sloan	NAS	30	0.650	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jeff Woywitka	NYR	28	0.650	26	1	5	6	2	8	17	21
Dylan Reese	NYI	27	0.635	16	1	2	3	-2	11	10	14
Nathan Oystrick	PHO	29	0.600	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Garnet Exelby	DET	30	0.600	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mathieu Roy	CAR	28	0.600	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Zach McKelvie	BOS	27	0.600	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Matt Smaby	ANA	27	0.600	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Garrett Stafford	MTL	32	0.600	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Maxime Fortunus	DAL	28	0.588	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Clayton Stoner	MIN	27	0.550	39	0	3	3	6	47	61	66
Aaron Johnson	CLB	28	0.550	38	3	10	13	-4	18	74	48
Joe Callahan	MTL	29	0.550	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Peter Harrold	NJD	28	0.550	5	0	0	0	-1	0	2	5
David Liffiton	COL	27	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Danny Syvret	STL	26	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Dan Spang	DAL	28	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mark Flood	WIN	27	0.525	29	3	4	7	2	8	9	38
Jay Leach	NJD	32	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Dan Jancevski	PHI	30	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sean Sullivan	FLA	27	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brendan Bell	NYR	28	0.525	1	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0
Sean Collins	WAS	28	0.525	2	0	0	0	-1	0	0	1
Zach Miskovic	WAS	26	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Danny Richmond	COL	27	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Bryan Rodney	EDM	27	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Bruno Gervais	TBL	27	0.525	41	4	5	9	-4	8	33	46
Nolan Baumgartner	VAN	32	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Richard Petiot	TBL	29	0.525	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mike Moore	SAN	27	0.513	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
John Scott	CHI	29	0.513	29	0	1	1	0	48	29	10
Nathan McIver	BOS	27	0.513	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brennan Evans	STL	30	0.513	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Doug Janik	DET	31	0.513	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Alex Henry	MTL	32	0.513	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

saywut · 02-27-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo

They have all proven they can play in the NHL though.

John Scott's played in the NHL too(more than Syvret, Liffiton, or Smaby). Why doesn't he make your list?