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02-26-2012, 03:23 PM
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Were really 2 trades away from changing the entire character of the leafs

We have multiple gritty player son the way up Ross Biggs Mueller Frattin Broll Nilson ( a swedish version of Ross by the way )

The trades would be dealing a starting D and Gabo for skilled big gritty forwards or top prospects of the same ilk then drafting this year 2 players of skill and heart

Our entire makeup changes once they all arrive

Perhaps patience is the key

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02-26-2012, 03:28 PM
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Actually, it would be best for the kids to play in the playoffs with the Marlies. They will learn more in the playoffs with the Marlies than languish with the Leafs missing the playoffs.
You're probably right about that.

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02-26-2012, 03:37 PM
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What about something like Kennedy + Jeffery for Kuleman?

Kennedy is a great 2-way player that can play bottom six or top six and produce. Fills gap left by Kuleman.

Jeffery can easily turn into a 2C given the chance. Probably start as a 3C until he develops some chemistry and gets familiar with the system but he definitely has 2C potential.

Kuleman fills the Kennedy gap for gets put with Sid if he comes back.
Won't Help, Leafs need upgrades to their top 6, if they aren't able to acquire such players, they will hold on to their guys. We have enough bottom sixers. I know both players you mentioned have potential but so does Kulemin, so the Leafs would be better off holding on.


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02-26-2012, 03:40 PM
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Hmmmm Washingtons prospect pool looks weak for what we need just looked

No size on forwards...

A first alone is not enough for a 2C who has the assets Gabo has..and whats being paid this year

Washington would need to add..just not sure what
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02-26-2012, 03:42 PM
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Weren't Leafs fans proclaiming that the rebuild was over and other things such as "that how you rebuild. You don't need high picks to do it" and such?
Not fans, Burke. Most fans were crushed when he traded our picks away. Most of us were prepared to tank for a few years. Now we're #@$*

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02-26-2012, 07:16 PM
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RT @DarrenDreger: Leafs could move a bunch of players for high picks,but Tor needs players, so unless the picks can be parlayed...not much help. #tradecentre


Sounds like this might be all about re-shuffling, like Burke did with the Ducks in like 2006.

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02-26-2012, 07:27 PM
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of course be sellers, get picks and draft and actually rebuild right..Fire wilson, bring up eakins. keep our picks and draft! plz... why can't we do a proper rebuild like every other team does.... f..ing burke..

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02-26-2012, 07:41 PM
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Were really 2 trades away from changing the entire character of the leafs

We have multiple gritty player son the way up Ross Biggs Mueller Frattin Broll Nilson ( a swedish version of Ross by the way )

The trades would be dealing a starting D and Gabo for skilled big gritty forwards or top prospects of the same ilk then drafting this year 2 players of skill and heart

Our entire makeup changes once they all arrive

Perhaps patience is the key
Trade off grabo, mcarthur. Bring up colborne kadri, tank one more season, either get 13-15 in the east or 1-8 none of this 9-12 bol ****, cause who are we kidding? Were not going to beat any teams and don't have any goalies that can steal a round or two.

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02-26-2012, 07:44 PM
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RT @DarrenDreger: Leafs could move a bunch of players for high picks,but Tor needs players, so unless the picks can be parlayed...not much help. #tradecentre


Sounds like this might be all about re-shuffling, like Burke did with the Ducks in like 2006.
Yeah, I don't see Burke just "selling". He'll probably just look to change things up to kick start the team again.

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02-26-2012, 08:39 PM
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If Toronto is going to be shuffling up the line-up, watch for them to make a trade with Calgary. After last night, they want to shuffle things up as well to try and kick-start the team to get them into the playoffs. They have trade history on their side as well. I'd look for the starting point to be something like Jokinen and Grabovski with pieces from both sides being thrown around to try and make it work for both sides.

Grabovski
MacArther

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Jokinen
Moss/Stempniak

Add some draft choices from both sides, but I can see something like this happening, where Toronto can move up a younger player to the 2nd line, while adding a 3rd/4th liner to replace the guy moving up (Frattin). They also get a vet center to possibly play with Kessel or on that 2nd line.

Calgary adds some skill players who have produced before and can play on their 2nd/3rd lines. Backlund could also move up to play with Iginla.

Thoughts? Or is this just a terrible trade?

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02-26-2012, 08:47 PM
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Were really 2 trades away from changing the entire character of the leafs

We have multiple gritty player son the way up Ross Biggs Mueller Frattin Broll Nilson ( a swedish version of Ross by the way )

The trades would be dealing a starting D and Gabo for skilled big gritty forwards or top prospects of the same ilk then drafting this year 2 players of skill and heart

Our entire makeup changes once they all arrive

Perhaps patience is the key
You are absolutely correct. Wait for it.

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02-27-2012, 05:53 AM
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evrybody knows burke was overated ......but his entertainment value was ok for awhile .....now he cant fire a coach ?im thinkin rogers /bell cant be too happy with this so called gem ....maybe the teachers realized that leafs nation ....the new generation wont accept junk ....they spend money but i think we ve reached the saturation point that some hockey experts predicted ..how long before little johnny gets teased at school for wearing a leafs backpack ...its coming ...
It's not coming, it's already been here for years.

Burke has really messed this team up with his "re-tool".

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02-27-2012, 06:39 AM
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I honestly don't understand all this talk about Nash or Brown It's clear the Leafs need a 1C. if you can't sign/trade for one then just tank for a year and get Grigorenko or that Galchenyuk kid. When was the last time a team won anything without a legit first line centre?

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02-27-2012, 06:59 AM
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I keep seeing Leaf fans calling for "Play the kids" "Sell the under performers for youth and picks". Do Leaf fans think maybe some veteran leadership is needed? Burke has acquired a lot of players but few of them are true leaders in a professional sense.

Kessel will probably never be a leader (just not in his make-up IMO) Phanuef has always come off as a selfish personality (again just MO).

The team IMO needs a couple tweaks here and there but nothing as drastic as some of the mob are calling for.

1.- Wilson NEEDS TO GO! It's simple. It changes the whole dynamic of the team. He's been miserable as a coach in TO. A lack of a system and poorly dealing with his players through media sources (IE Reimer comments - Hey Ron if you have a young goalie struggling mentally to find his game, calling him out in the media probably won't help!). He (Again IMO) is the biggest reason this team has failed!

2.- Lack of leadership. Sure being the youngest team in the league is great and you can use the great cliche HF logic of youth = potential = positive growth. Unfortunately young kids in a stressed filled professional environment need guidance. The right mixture of vets and kids seem to be what works for most Stanley Cup Contenders and the young Leafs desperately seem to lack guidance.

3.- Burke needs tp makes good on his original plan or he leaves. He promised building from the net out yet has failed to acquire any form of premier goalie even when one becomes available. The team lacks a top line center. Doesn't have to be an all-star, just someone who would actually be classified as a first line guy. He needs to stop overpaying for his borderline truculence guys. He said he believes in a skilled top-6 and a heavy in your face bottom-6. Time to revamp some of the bottom-6 Burke. Cut the fat and give Kessel some help by spending some actual coin on the top-6.

There's a total disconnect between what the fans want, what Burke says he's building, and what Ron Wilson is coaching. I'm starting to see why Leafs fans get so crazy on here .

Those 3 things seem to be what the Leafs should focus on this deadline/offseason.

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02-27-2012, 07:05 AM
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I honestly don't understand all this talk about Nash or Brown It's clear the Leafs need a 1C. if you can't sign/trade for one then just tank for a year and get Grigorenko or that Galchenyuk kid. When was the last time a team won anything without a legit first line centre?
No, it's clearly not out biggest need actually. Despite popular belief, scoring isn't an issue with the Leafs. It's keeping the puck out of our net that's the issue. We are 8th in goals for, 28th in goals against. When was the last time a team won anything when being 28th in goals against? and no, you don't have to have a number one center. Last year Boston won the cup based on great center depth but with no number one center by most people's standards.

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Great way to get ratings.

The Leafs might be buyers or sellers. They Leafs might also do nothing at all.

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Sounds like this might be all about re-shuffling, like Burke did with the Ducks in like 2006.
So what you're saying is, we win the cup next year? Sweet!


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02-27-2012, 07:21 AM
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First of all, call Sundin - then sell, just sell ffs.

We're screwed either way, doesn't matter what Burke does.
Play-offs are a dream: far a away..

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No, it's clearly not out biggest need actually. Despite popular belief, scoring isn't an issue with the Leafs. It's keeping the puck out of our net that's the issue. We are 8th in goals for, 28th in goals against. When was the last time a team won anything when being 28th in goals against? and no, you don't have to have a number one center. Last year Boston won the cup based on great center depth but with no number one center by most people's standards.
It's easier to produce offense when the gameplan is geared towards offense. Why do you think guys like Stajan, Moore, Ponikarovsky, Antropov, Hagman, etc did so well offensively with the Leafs helping them be a high scoring team even then?

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