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The Trade Proposal Thread ‎2012 2.0

View Poll Results: Would you do the trade?
Do the deal 12 24.00%
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02-27-2012, 08:28 AM
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Why would the Preds give us 2 of there best prospect and throw in a 1st for a 3rd line rental and a guy who doesnt show up 70% of NHL games??

You may get Watson for both of them max
yup, and that #6-7 dman Gill was only going to get a 3rd...MAX, right?

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02-27-2012, 08:32 AM
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Its a sellers market this year.. Its almost too good to be true really, our 1st is pretty much top 5 guarenteed, we have assets that will land us more then their value stats (see Gill deal)

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02-27-2012, 08:46 AM
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yup, and that #6-7 dman Gill was only going to get a 3rd...MAX, right?
TD is usually rife with absurd overpayments. Penner last year...ugh.

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02-27-2012, 02:37 PM
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trade gauthier right ****ing now!

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02-27-2012, 07:31 PM
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If we don't make some big changes, then we are in trouble again next year.
We should be targeting Parise and Suter with everything we have. Give them both 7.5M to play here.

-If we get Parise, trade Plekanec for a good prospect or a first round pick. Trade him for a first to a team that is likely to finish near last in 2013 in hopes to get #1 overall (Nate baby!). Basically do what Boston did to Toronto.
-If we don't get Parise, keep Plekanec with the door open to trading him when the right deal comes along.
-Draft Grigorenko or Galchenyuk and trade Desharnais. If we win the lottery, draft Yakupov and keep Desharnais as second line centre.
-Sign Carey to a front loaded 6 year/39M deal (6.5M cap hit).
-Sign Subban to a 6 year/24M deal (4M cap hit)
-Sign someone like Prust or Gaustad for the 4th line.
-If we can't get Suter, a backup plan would be to get someone who can at least punish people in front of the net.

In my dream world we would have this next year:

1) Trade: Plekanec gone to Columbus for 2013 first rounder and prospect like Jenner.
2) Trade:Desharnais gone for the best pick/prospect combination we can get, but I am open to keeping him.
3) Lineup: I think our downfall in the lineup would be the lack of a 2nd line winger and the inexperience on the third line. But at least we would have a legitimate first line to build from and our 1B centre of the future in Grigorenko/Galchenyuk.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Lars Eller ($1.150m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Louis Leblanc ($1.170m) / Grigorenko/Galchenyuk ($1.500m) / Blake Geoffrion ($1.000m)
Brandon Prust ($1.200m) / Ryan White ($0.800m) / Travis Moen ($1.700m)
Mike Blunden ($0.615m) / Ian Schultz ($0.845m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($4.000m)
Alexei Emelin ($1.200m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.000m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Peter Budaj ($1.150m) / Carey Price ($6.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,789,166; BONUSES: $537,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $510,834

We would likely have to make a trade again to clear some room to sign Pacioretty longterm at the end of the 2013 season. But I watch NYR, LA and PHI have lots of high price players who are worth it and wonder why we can't work the cap the same way.

How is it possible that NYR have the room to sign Gaborik, Richards, Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, Girardi and Lundqvist. We need to have a bunch of pieces like this...

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02-27-2012, 07:36 PM
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Why would any bottom feeder trade their 1st(top 5-10) pick for Pleks? You have to be realistic

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02-27-2012, 08:12 PM
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Why would any bottom feeder trade their 1st(top 5-10) pick for Pleks? You have to be realistic
Why would someone trade McDonagh for Gomez? Why would someone trade two top ten firsts for Kessel?
Teams don't think they are going to finish near the bottom of the league.

regardless, the return for Plekanec wasn't the point of my post. Trade him for whatever you get, just try to ice a team in my post.

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02-27-2012, 08:17 PM
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If we don't make some big changes, then we are in trouble again next year.
We should be targeting Parise and Suter with everything we have. Give them both 7.5M to play here.

-If we get Parise, trade Plekanec for a good prospect or a first round pick. Trade him for a first to a team that is likely to finish near last in 2013 in hopes to get #1 overall (Nate baby!). Basically do what Boston did to Toronto.
-If we don't get Parise, keep Plekanec with the door open to trading him when the right deal comes along.
-Draft Grigorenko or Galchenyuk and trade Desharnais. If we win the lottery, draft Yakupov and keep Desharnais as second line centre.
-Sign Carey to a front loaded 6 year/39M deal (6.5M cap hit).
-Sign Subban to a 6 year/24M deal (4M cap hit)
-Sign someone like Prust or Gaustad for the 4th line.
-If we can't get Suter, a backup plan would be to get someone who can at least punish people in front of the net.

In my dream world we would have this next year:

1) Trade: Plekanec gone to Columbus for 2013 first rounder and prospect like Jenner.
2) Trade:Desharnais gone for the best pick/prospect combination we can get, but I am open to keeping him.
3) Lineup: I think our downfall in the lineup would be the lack of a 2nd line winger and the inexperience on the third line. But at least we would have a legitimate first line to build from and our 1B centre of the future in Grigorenko/Galchenyuk.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Lars Eller ($1.150m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Louis Leblanc ($1.170m) / Grigorenko/Galchenyuk ($1.500m) / Blake Geoffrion ($1.000m)
Brandon Prust ($1.200m) / Ryan White ($0.800m) / Travis Moen ($1.700m)
Mike Blunden ($0.615m) / Ian Schultz ($0.845m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($4.000m)
Alexei Emelin ($1.200m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.000m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Peter Budaj ($1.150m) / Carey Price ($6.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,789,166; BONUSES: $537,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $510,834

We would likely have to make a trade again to clear some room to sign Pacioretty longterm at the end of the 2013 season. But I watch NYR, LA and PHI have lots of high price players who are worth it and wonder why we can't work the cap the same way.

How is it possible that NYR have the room to sign Gaborik, Richards, Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, Girardi and Lundqvist. We need to have a bunch of pieces like this...
I guess I missed the part when Dubinsky was actually a good player. The guy does nothing. Plekanec ad DD are better then this guy. Look at his points. NOt D play, he gets paid to produce. Actually DD has more points than Callahan as well oh and more than Richards. Not saying he is better. The Rangers are winning on goaltending, plain and simple. It will run out

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02-27-2012, 08:49 PM
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I guess I missed the part when Dubinsky was actually a good player. The guy does nothing. Plekanec ad DD are better then this guy. Look at his points. NOt D play, he gets paid to produce. Actually DD has more points than Callahan as well oh and more than Richards. Not saying he is better. The Rangers are winning on goaltending, plain and simple. It will run out
Discussing who is better than who was not the point. Do you guys just argue for the sake of it? All I am saying is that we need to do everything we can to get the top two UFAs this off season. Don't be afraid of change.
Plekanec is the guy that would have the most value to trade and would clear cap space top sign parise and Suter

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02-27-2012, 08:53 PM
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Discussing who is better than who was not the point. Do you guys just argue for the sake of it? All I am saying is that we need to do everything we can to get the top two UFAs this off season. Don't be afraid of change.
Plekanec is the guy that would have the most value to trade and would clear cap space top sign parise and Suter
You can have cap space but it doesn't mean you'll get them. Plenty of teams will have space for these two and they might already have preferred destinations just see B Richards.

So if you don't get them what do you do?

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02-29-2012, 07:34 PM
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Draft proposal

Would you trade your first in 2013 (very deep draft) and +++ for this year top 6 pick?


ex; Plek + 2013 first pick to NY


Imagine Alex Galchenyuk and Mikhail Grigorenko in the Bleu blanc rouge!!!!



next year forget about it we win the cup lol!

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02-29-2012, 07:51 PM
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No, I would not.

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ok , I still luv you man

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Would anyone consider trading the first rounder this year to Columbus (assuming we dont get first overall) for CBJ's first next year? Looking at their team, it is very likely that they will be in the running for first overall next year, which could mean McKinnon for us, Yakopov & perhaps Greg/Forsberg for them.
They will be further along as both will probably play next year, whereas we could dip into free agency and wait until next year for that magical number 1.

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edit: woah, read it wrong.

no i would not because trading plekanec would mean sucking next year as well.

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Trade our #1 Pick This Year For.....

Okay...here is a scenario that could happen at the draft, and is so what would you do?

Columbus #1 ---- Nail Yakupov
Montreal #2 --- Trade to Columbus for the their 1st pick in 2013 draft.

So before you all freak out, here is the logic then flame away.

1) The more I hear about players after Yakupov; both
Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk (out all year with a knee injury) have top end talent, but some scouts don't believe that they are Franchise players.

2) Seeing how far behind Columbus is to the other team and even if they trade Nash for some decent players, I think they will finish 29-30th next year. If we switch picks with them next year we will have 2 1st round picks and 3 second round picks in a DEEP DRAFT.

3) We would have a shot at a CANADIAN who DOES have the potential to be a franchise player. As a 16 year old he went head to head with Grigorenko and had 4 goals in that game!

Is there a risk that Columbus with a new GM and probably a new coach gets out of the top 5, yes but highly unlikely. Besides with 2 1st round picks and 3 seconds we would have a lot of flexibility.

But think about if for a minute and read some of the scouting reports. What Eastern European player ever led his team to a cup?

If we don't land Yail, lets have some patience and go for a Crosby type player like Mckinnon!

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Lol no

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I am not going to comment on the validity of your idea, but you DO realise that this plan hinge on Colombus staying at the bottom of the league next year, which isn't assured?

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No freaking way, what tells you Colombus does not make the playoff next year. Unlikely, but then you end up with a 15th pick or something... Nice trade..

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03-01-2012, 03:01 PM
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Lol no
brilliant comeback.... did it take you long to come with that?

Can someone tell me how Columbus which has sucked EVERY year...somehow goes from 30th to making to 27th overall?

Sure it's risky, but so is drafting Russian players...even a "sure thing" like Ovechkin is having issues.

It maybe our only chance for a true franchise player in a long time.... our last one was in 1971 for pete's sake!

You're pretty much gauranteed a top 3 pick even if they do "improve"

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columbus is bloody awful and i'm pretty sure they won't do this trade. they're going to go for a full rebuild like the oilers and that starts by trading nash in the offseason for nhl ready prospects and picks. yakupov and mackinnon is there plan and that's the smart thing to do.

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columbus is bloody awful and i'm pretty sure they won't do this trade. they're going to go for a full rebuild like the oilers and that starts by trading nash in the offseason for nhl ready prospects and picks. yakupov and mackinnon is there plan and that's the smart thing to do.
You would think that is the smart play...but then again 2 things...

There is a reason they have been in the bottom 3 for many years...they don't make the smart play often.

Secondly, having Yakupov develop with his friend and centerman may be too tempting.

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Nah, we keep that pick.

Why ? Because you don't know what Columbus will get for Nash and who they'll sign.

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Nah, we keep that pick.

Why ? Because you don't know what Columbus will get for Nash and who they'll sign.
Good point, but even if they get quite a bit for Nash, its a long road out of the basement with that team.

As for UFAs ... well would you want to sign with a 30th place team and play in OHIO!!

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I think its too big a risk for both teams to make.. Cause either one has potential to get shafted... Also Montreal is in desperate need for good news after the season is over and drafting high might make people look ahead to new season.

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