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02-27-2012, 08:54 AM
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Tough talk cowboy, care to back it up with facts?
His stats?

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Our offense is above average maybe, but we're relying quite heavily on 2 lines- and in the playoffs that could be a recipe for disaster.

In the month of February, this team scored 31 goals all together- only FOUR were by lines 3 and 4. The rest were by Step/Artie/Gabby or Hags/Richards/Cally with a few by DZ, McD, and Staal.

So while maybe Rick Nash wasn't the answer, but it concerns me that the scoring isn't balanced enough.

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02-27-2012, 08:57 AM
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His stats?
his stats prove the exact opposite of his conclusion

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02-27-2012, 08:58 AM
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Small sample size

There's nothing wrong with living in the now....

This team only wins 33% of games in which they surrender 3 or more goals..speaking of the now..

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his stats prove the exact opposite of his conclusion
Over 50 points only once in his career. 30 goals once in his career. Those are the numbers of a dependable offensive player?

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02-27-2012, 09:00 AM
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Over 50 points only once in his career. 30 goals once in his career. Those are the numbers of a dependable offensive player?
Who the hell are you talking about? Certainly not who me and the other guy were talking about.

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02-27-2012, 09:03 AM
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Muhahaha, we have the worst bottom 6 in the league

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02-27-2012, 09:07 AM
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12th best isn't where you want to be when making a serious run at The Cup.

Stanley Cup winners since the lockout:

2010-11: Boston - 5th (2.98 goals/game)
2009-10: Chicago - 3rd (3.20)
2008-09: Pittsburgh - 6th (3.15)
2007-08: Detroit - 3rd (3.07)
2006-07: Anaheim - 8th (3.10)
2005-06: Carolina - 3rd (3.49)

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02-27-2012, 09:14 AM
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Who the hell are you talking about? Certainly not who me and the other guy were talking about.
Hightide said : Even Dubinsky; he's never been a guy you can count on, offensively...ever.

Simmer down Francis.

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02-27-2012, 09:25 AM
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Hightide said : Even Dubinsky; he's never been a guy you can count on, offensively...ever.

Simmer down Francis.
Your numbers were just wrong then.

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02-27-2012, 09:37 AM
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What's the purpose of this thread? To illuminate that the team probably isn't good enough win a chamionship?

Every single cup winner since the lockout has had a top 10 offense. All but one have had top 5 offenses.

The Rangers are a SLIGHTLY above average offensive team. They'd be more comfortable if Brandon Dubinsky wasn't a confused, inconsistent, overpaid player.

The Rangers unquestionably need more offense. That doesn't mean it needs to come in the form of an overpaid Rick Nash, but it's going to have to come from somewhere.
Well said Sting. We need another offensive player.

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02-27-2012, 09:45 AM
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I've said it before, I say it again. At even strength, our scoring is more than fine. In fact, we are the 4th best team in the league with a 1.31 ratio at ES. Only Detroit, St. Louis and Boston are better than us in that department.

The problem is - as always - our pathetic PP that has consistently parked in the bottom 5 in the league, basically every season since the lockout (well, perhaps Jagr made it look somewhat respectable during the 05/06 season). We are currently the 28th "best" team with a measly 14.4 PP%. Only 30 of our goals have been scored on the PP, which is really bad. Only Montreal and Phoenix are worse than us. Our desire for the cup will be decided by our PP. Teams will tighten down their defense and we have to capitalize on special teams to be successful.

So, in this case you can do nothing but . Just as every season. Every attempt at polishing our turd PP by bringing in PP specialists, or players that have a history of producing on the PP, has utterly failed.


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02-27-2012, 09:48 AM
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Good post Chimp. The Rangers are tough to beat 5-on-5. They need to shore up their PP. Whether that means bringing in someone, or devising a new strategy, it has to get fixed before the playoffs.

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02-27-2012, 09:50 AM
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The majority of teams that we're better than aren't going to be in the playoffs.
I agree. Previous playoff years have shown that scoring is tougher with the ramped up play. Powerplays are crucial.

McCabe was added last year for the powerplay and that didn't amount to anything. On the other hand, our defense is scoring more this season. Adding a powerplay forward would be nice. Nash's price got too high, but I don't really see our middle of the pack status as enough of a reason to stand pat.

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02-27-2012, 09:58 AM
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Good post Chimp. The Rangers are tough to beat 5-on-5. They need to shore up their PP. Whether that means bringing in someone, or devising a new strategy, it has to get fixed before the playoffs.
Bruins won the cup with a god awful PP

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02-27-2012, 10:00 AM
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Our offense is STILL this teams achillies heel.

Regardless of where we stand on an overall goals scored basis, the fact is this team can be shut down and or shut out alot easier than any other top 4 team in either conference.

The argument that we are in 12th overall in scoring means we shouldn't address it is poor.
Boy did you ever hit the nail squarely on the head.

We have one elite(if you will) goal scorer on the team(Gabby) and he would be relatively easy to shutdown in a playoff series against a big, physical team.
We only have two players with more than 20 goals and six players with more than 10 goals.
Our entire 3rd line has the astounding total of 14 goals!

The majority of the teams that end up in the playoffs will be much better than us offensively.
I agree, our offense is average at best and it needs to be addressed going forward.

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02-27-2012, 10:01 AM
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Bruins won the cup with a god awful PP
Bruins had the 5th best offense in the league.

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Bruins had the 5th best offense in the league.
So you're saying we need something extra for the playoffs. Man, I'm not sure where they could possibly find an advantageto make up for the goal scoring disparity?

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02-27-2012, 10:10 AM
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Bruins had the 5th best offense in the league.
Vancouver made it to the finals and were 14th in playoff offense. Big whoop. As long as you win, you win.

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Vancouver made it to the finals and were 14th in playoff offense. Big whoop. As long as you win, you win.
They were 14th in playoff offense after the finals, when they played a seven game series against the league's 2nd best defensive team. That was after they already played a seven game series against the 3rd best defensive team in the league.

The Canucks finished the regular season as the best offensive team in the league.

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They were 14th in playoff offense after the finals, when they played a seven game series against the league's 2nd best defensive team. That was after they already played a seven game series against the 3rd best defensive team in the league.

The Canucks finished the regular season as the best offensive team in the league.
Stop talking about facts! DAMNIT, Sting!

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02-27-2012, 10:19 AM
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Well said Sting. We need another offensive player.
We need another player capable of putting up 25-35 goals on a consistent basis. We all hope that Krieder will end up being the guy.

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They were 14th in playoff offense after the finals, when they played a seven game series against the league's 2nd best defensive team. That was after they already played a seven game series against the 3rd best defensive team in the league.

The Canucks finished the regular season as the best offensive team in the league.
This.

Excellent post.

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02-27-2012, 10:28 AM
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Vancouver made it to the finals and were 14th in playoff offense. Big whoop. As long as you win, you win.
You're the one that whines about sample size and then you bring up something like this?

Vancouver was the #1 offensive team in the league last season. 3.15 g/gp.

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3 spots away from perfectly mediocre does not have me feeling too confident for scoring in the playoffs.

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