HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2012-2013 Flyers Lineup

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-27-2012, 03:54 PM
  #1
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,770
vCash: 500
2012-2013 Flyers Lineup

with the deadline passing and no significant moves for the Flyers, do you think we're looking at a few big changes in the off season or at the draft? do you think we keep our 1st round pick, or do we trade it either for a roster player or to move up? who do we resign? who do we let go?

let's hear your ideas for next season, be realistic and post your lineups!

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 03:59 PM
  #2
BillyShoe1721
Terriers
 
BillyShoe1721's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 16,709
vCash: 9000
Send a message via AIM to BillyShoe1721
F: Giroux, Hartnell, JVR, Schenn, Couturier, Read, Talbot, Wellwood, Voracek, Simmonds, Briere, Sestito, Rinaldo

D: Timonen, Coburn, Grossman, Meszaros, Gustafsson, xxx, Lilja

G: Bryzgalov, ***

xxx could be Kubina, Suter, or somebody out of left field, but I feel like it'll be a significant name.

*** could be Bob, but I just don't think it will be.

BillyShoe1721 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:12 PM
  #3
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,770
vCash: 500
don't resign kubina, carle or jagr
resign grossman
trade our 1st and voracek to move into the top 10; draft reinhart
trade bob for a 2nd and a prospect
trade jvr for schneider; sign for 1.75 caphit (rfa)
trade for suters rights and sign him for 7 years 7.2 caphit


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Griffin Reinhart ($1.400m) or Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) if GR doesnt make the team / Niklas Grossman ($2.250m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Cory Schneider ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,879,444; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $9,120,556

we'd then have a litte more than 9 million to sign 2 third line wingers and either sign or bring up a 4th line winger

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:21 PM
  #4
LetsGoFlyers1825
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 767
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
don't resign kubina, carle or jagr
resign grossman
trade our 1st and voracek to move into the top 10; draft reinhart
trade bob for a 2nd and a prospect
trade jvr for schneider; sign for 1.75 caphit (rfa)
trade for suters rights and sign him for 7 years 7.2 caphit


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Griffin Reinhart ($1.400m) or Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) if GR doesnt make the team / Niklas Grossman ($2.250m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Cory Schneider ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,879,444; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $9,120,556

we'd then have a litte more than 9 million to sign 2 third line wingers and either sign or bring up a 4th line winger
I hate you for making my expectations that much higher

LetsGoFlyers1825 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:23 PM
  #5
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,998
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
don't resign kubina, carle or jagr
resign grossman
trade our 1st and voracek to move into the top 10; draft reinhart
trade bob for a 2nd and a prospect
trade jvr for schneider; sign for 1.75 caphit (rfa)
trade for suters rights and sign him for 7 years 7.2 caphit
The bold are all terrible ideas.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:23 PM
  #6
GKJ
Global Moderator
Entertainment
 
GKJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Do not trade plz
Country: United States
Posts: 110,484
vCash: 5792
If Gaustad doesn't stick around in Nashville, might be my #1 target up front.

GKJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:30 PM
  #7
DrinkFightFlyers
Grave Before Shave
 
DrinkFightFlyers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 12,548
vCash: 155
Send a message via AIM to DrinkFightFlyers
I don't think anything crazy happening. They just overhauled the team last season. I think they'll pursue Suter (and maybe try to trade for Weber which I doubt happens) but neither will happen. The only way I see big things happening is if something happens with Pronger or Bryz's contracts (i.e. amnesty clause). Otherwise I think they'll fill the holes as needed but not anything crazy.

DrinkFightFlyers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:33 PM
  #8
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,998
vCash: 500
Hartnell (4.20) - Giroux (3.75) - Briere (6.50)
vanRiemsdyk (4.25) - Schenn (0.90) - Voracek (3.50)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Rinaldo (0.54) - Talbot (1.75) - Sestito (0.60)
Holmstrom (0.60)

Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (4.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - Carle (4.50)
Grossman (2.50) - xxxxxxxxxx
Bourdon (1.00)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

TOTAL: 59.57
SALARY CAP: 64.30
CAP SPACE: 04.73
PROJECTED SALARY CAP: 67.00
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: 07.73



Those of you looking to make significant changes need to wake up.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:36 PM
  #9
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,770
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Shafer View Post
Hartnell (4.20) - Giroux (3.75) - Briere (6.50)
vanRiemsdyk (4.25) - Schenn (0.90) - Voracek (3.50)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Rinaldo (0.54) - Talbot (1.75) - Sestito (0.60)
Holmstrom (0.60)

Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (4.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - Carle (4.50)
Grossman (2.50) - xxxxxxxxxx
Bourdon (1.00)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

TOTAL: 59.57
SALARY CAP: 64.30
CAP SPACE: 04.73
PROJECTED SALARY CAP: 67.00
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: 07.73



Those of you looking to make significant changes need to wake up.
How do you propose we win a cup then?

Those thinking we can compete with NYR or Boston without making significant changes need to wake
Up.

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:37 PM
  #10
DeflatedFootball7
Registered User
 
DeflatedFootball7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Belleville
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,946
vCash: 500
I doubt it will happen but this would be my dream roster.

Hartnell-Giroux-JVR
Simmonds-Briere-Voracek
Read-Schenn-Talbot
Rinaldo-Couturier-Wellwood

Suter-Timonen
Grossman-Meszaros
Coburn-Bourdon
Lilja

Bryzgalov
Hovinen

Carle, Jagr and Kubina walk
Sestito to the minors (Hate him so much)
Bobrovsky for picks and prospects
Sign Suter
Draft Skjei and give him 9 games if necessary
Bring Hovinen over
Re-Sign Grossman and Bourdon

Not sure how it would all work but that's what I would like

EDIT: Skjei is committed to university so no 9 games needed.


Last edited by DeflatedFootball7: 02-27-2012 at 04:46 PM.
DeflatedFootball7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:38 PM
  #11
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,998
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
How do you propose we win a cup then?
How do you propose we win the cup now?

That is the exact same team as this year only minus Jagr and minus Kubina.

Sign a better defenseman by using their money.

And pray Bryzgalov rebounds.

In that same time you have a healthy JVR ready to break out and Couturier/Schenn will no longer be rookies.

I do also like the idea of going after Gaustad.

Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
Those thinking we can compete with NYR or Boston without making significant changes need to wake
Up.


Add a player like Gaustad and a big name defenseman should one be available.

Our team can compete and beat NYR and Boston now if only we had capable goaltending.

Since Bryzgalov is basically Leighton, it's time we treated him like Leighton: overpay for an unstoppable defense to pad his stats.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:50 PM
  #12
BillDineen
Registered User
 
BillDineen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,677
vCash: 500
Randy Miller ‏ @RandyJMiller
#Flyers Homer on Carle ... "Whether that happens in the near future or somewhere down the road here, we'll see."
8m Randy Miller ‏ @RandyJMiller
#Flyers Homer on Carle "I believe that there's something out there that we can agree on and we can take care of that ...

Please, no more Carle.

BillDineen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:50 PM
  #13
sobrien
RAFFLCOPTER
 
sobrien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: South Jersey/Memphis
Country: United States
Posts: 6,611
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Shafer View Post
Hartnell (4.20) - Giroux (3.75) - Briere (6.50)
vanRiemsdyk (4.25) - Schenn (0.90) - Voracek (3.50)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Rinaldo (0.54) - Talbot (1.75) - Sestito (0.60)
Holmstrom (0.60)

Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (4.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - Carle (4.50)
Grossman (2.50) - xxxxxxxxxx
Bourdon (1.00)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

TOTAL: 59.57
SALARY CAP: 64.30
CAP SPACE: 04.73
PROJECTED SALARY CAP: 67.00
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: 07.73



Those of you looking to make significant changes need to wake up.
Just out of curiosity, how/why are the cap hits so low on Schenn, Couturier, and Bob? I know they're all still EL, but even after bonuses are wiped out, Schenn's won't be that low. And of course they'll be maxxed during the off season when it's time for us to spend.

sobrien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:53 PM
  #14
mirimon
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: The Wrong Town
Country: Sweden
Posts: 2,780
vCash: 500
I posted this in the thread about what to do with Jagr in the off season



CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.700m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.700m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Matt Read ($0.900m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($6.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossman ($2.400m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.850m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,366,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,488,056




Let's see how Grossman does for a few more games before handing out any contract though. Jagr returning will depend a lot on how he does in the playoffs, I think. From what I understand he's been quoted somewhere that he doesn't expect a raise for next year, but I gave him one anyway, since I'm usually thinking guys will sign for less than they do in the end (Voracek, Grossman and Suter). I wouldn't mind looking at a 4th line center, but if Jagr and Voracek returns I could live without us signing one.

Of course, until we know what the cap will be it's really tough to have any idea on how you wish the team to go about it's summer business. I wish we can let this team have some continuity now though. Hopefully we can land Suter, but no more major overhauls for a while.

mirimon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:55 PM
  #15
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,770
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Shafer View Post
How do you propose we win the cup now?

That is the exact same team as this year only minus Jagr and minus Kubina.

Sign a better defenseman by using their money.

And pray Bryzgalov rebounds.

In that same time you have a healthy JVR ready to break out and Couturier/Schenn will no longer be rookies.

I do also like the idea of going after Gaustad.
What I'm saying is this team is not going to compete for a cup.

And they're not going to compete for a cup next year unless changes are made.

Maybe my post was a little harsh in terms of retooling the team but I think changes do need to be made.

Maybe we don't trade Jvr, hope that he breaks out and Bryzgalov regains form. We let kubina, Carle and Jagr walk. We sign suter for 7 years 7.2, resign grossman, pick the best d man available with our pick (bottom half of the 1st) and hope he develops. Resign voracek for 3.5, sign gaustad for 1.5, resign
Bourdon for .9, trade Bob for picks, bring hovinen over to backup bryz.

Hartnell(4.2)-Giroux(3.75)-Briere(6.5)
Simmonds(1.75)-Schenn(3.1)-vanRiemsdyk(4.25)
Read(.9)-Couturier(1.375)-Voracek(3.5)
Rinaldo(.54)-Gaustad (1.5)-Talbot(1.75)

Suter(7.2)-Meszaros(4)
Timonen(6.3)-Coburn(4.5)
Gustafsson(.9)-Grossman(2.5)

Bryzgalov(5.6)
Hovinen(1.1)

~ 67 cap
~ 65.1cap hit
~ 1.9 cap space


Last edited by orange is better: 02-27-2012 at 05:02 PM.
orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:55 PM
  #16
turkinaa
Registered User
 
turkinaa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 915
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillDineen View Post
Randy Miller ‏ @RandyJMiller
#Flyers Homer on Carle ... "Whether that happens in the near future or somewhere down the road here, we'll see."
8m Randy Miller ‏ @RandyJMiller
#Flyers Homer on Carle "I believe that there's something out there that we can agree on and we can take care of that ...

Please, no more Carle.
Sounds like we're going to overpay for Carle next season.

turkinaa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:57 PM
  #17
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,998
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by sobrien View Post
Just out of curiosity, how/why are the cap hits so low on Schenn, Couturier, and Bob? I know they're all still EL, but even after bonuses are wiped out, Schenn's won't be that low. And of course they'll be maxxed during the off season when it's time for us to spend.
I have a very sneaky suspicion that the CBA is going to remain roughly the same when rehashed, particularly where bonuses and cap hits regarding ELCs are concerned.

That means we get the bonus cushion back after this season, which applies to Schenn, Couturier, and Bob next year.

So yeah, all their cap hits will be that low because when you take away their bonuses, that's how much they signed contracts for. All of those contracts were rookie max contracts when they were signed.


Also, the only thing that may prevent us from offseason cap spending is Pronger's contract.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 04:58 PM
  #18
Flyersfan1616
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 48
vCash: 500
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX/ Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
/ / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Matt Carle ($4.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.500m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,116,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,883,056

Sign Jagr and Voracek to somewhere near 3 million each
Sign Grossman around 2.5 million
Sign Bourdon or another 6th Dman (personally think we could find better 6th and 7th Dman for same money but this is who we will have MAB and Lilja)
Sign a 4th liner thats great on the PK

Flyersfan1616 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 05:01 PM
  #19
funghoul
retardo montalbon
 
funghoul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: upper drugs
Country: United States
Posts: 1,671
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
What I'm saying is this team is not going to compete for a cup.

And they're not going to compete for a cup next year unless changes are made.

Maybe my post was a little harsh in terms of retooling the team but I think changes do need to be made.

Maybe we don't trade Jvr, hope that he breaks out and Bryzgalov regains form. We let kubina, Carle and Jagr walk. We sign suter for 7 years 7.2, resign grossman, pick the best d man available with our pick (bottom half of the 1st) and hope he develops. Resign voracek for 3.5, sign gaustad for 1.5, resign
Bourdon for .9, trade Bob for picks, bring hovinen over to backup bryz.

Hartnell(4.2)-Giroux(3.75)-Briere(6.5)
Simmonds(1.75)-Schenn(3.1)-vanRiemsdyk(4.25)
Read(.9)-Couturier(1.375)-Voracek(3.5)
Rinaldo(.54)-Gaustad (1.5)-Talbot(1.75)

Suter(7.2)-Meszaros(4)
Timonen(6.3)-Coburn(3.2)
Gustafsson(.9)-Grossman(2.5)

Bryzgalov(5.6)
Hovinen(1.1)

~ 67 cap
~ 63.8 cap hit
~ 3 cap space
I like everything your saying but theres no way vancouver is trading cory schneider unless we give up too much and with bryzgalov's contract that aint happening. I think luongo will get traded in the summer if they don't either lose very convincingly (i mean a hard fought loss, what i said didn't make sense) or win the cup. I can see them holding on to schneider and toronto takin bobby lou. I'm loving that defense you got goin but what if pronger comes back?

funghoul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 05:04 PM
  #20
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,770
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by funghoul View Post
I like everything your saying but theres no way vancouver is trading cory schneider unless we give up too much and with bryzgalov's contract that aint happening. I think luongo will get traded in the summer if they don't either lose very convincingly or win the cup. I can see them holding on to schneider and toronto takin bobby lou. I'm loving that defense you got goin but what if pronger comes back?
Well I gave up on the schneider trade for that particular scenario...

And I think there is relatively no chance that pronger comes back whatsoever. But if by some off chance that he does, I guess you could get rid of Meszaros for a draft pick to anyone who'd take his cap hit.

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 05:07 PM
  #21
Flyerfan4life
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Richmond BC, Canada
Country: England
Posts: 12,053
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by turkinaa View Post
Sounds like we're going to overpay for Carle next season.

were is the slit-wrists emote ???


Flyerfan4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 05:09 PM
  #22
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,998
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
What I'm saying is this team is not going to compete for a cup.

And they're not going to compete for a cup next year unless changes are made.

Maybe my post was a little harsh in terms of retooling the team but I think changes do need to be made.
If we get better play from Bryzgalov, then we're definitely one of the cup contenders.

Bryzgalov has been the lesser goalie of the two in every game he's played this season if memory serves me correctly.

That puts him theoretically as the worst goalie in the NHL on any given night. He has GOT to be better.

Our team with a better Bryzgalov is a Cup Contender. Maybe not a winner because we have so many young guys and rookies, but we're certainly among the better three teams in the Conference.

Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
Maybe we don't trade Jvr, hope that he breaks out
Trading JVR is the stupidest decision we could possibly make right now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
and Bryzgalov regains form.
That's the only legitimate question this offseason.

Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
We let kubina, Carle and Jagr walk. We sign suter for 7 years 7.2, resign grossman, pick the best d man available with our pick (bottom half of the 1st) and hope he develops. Resign voracek for 3.5, sign gaustad for 1.5, resign
Bourdon for .9, trade Bob for picks, bring hovinen over to backup bryz.

Hartnell(4.2)-Giroux(3.75)-Briere(6.5)
Simmonds(1.75)-Schenn(3.1)-vanRiemsdyk(4.25)
Read(.9)-Couturier(1.375)-Voracek(3.5)
Rinaldo(.54)-Gaustad (1.5)-Talbot(1.75)

Suter(7.2)-Meszaros(4)
Timonen(6.3)-Coburn(3.2)
Gustafsson(.9)-Grossman(2.5)

Bryzgalov(5.6)
Hovinen(1.1)

~ 67 cap
~ 63.8 cap hit
~ 3 cap space
So basically, you're using my plan except for some reason you're expecting Hovinen to be a competent NHL back-up.

So what happens if he's not? And Bryz, like I'm expecting, decides to **** the bed once again? I'd say we could recall Leighton for the LULZ alone, but Leighton's out of his contract. Which brings up another point where we only have two goalies in the entire system, and they're both in the NHL. That's a recipe for disaster. (Another reason we should go get Eriksson again, but that's another argument for another day.)

So we've established that trading Bob is stupid.

Now...I like the Suter/Weber plan except for the price. 6.5m/year long term sounds fine.

I think we play it like we played Hamhuis. Get his rights. Try to get him signed. If we get him signed, goodbye Carle. If we don't sign Suter/Weber, Carle immediately becomes our back-up plan with a very thin market out there to begin with.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 05:16 PM
  #23
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,770
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Shafer View Post
If we get better play from Bryzgalov, then we're definitely one of the cup contenders.

Bryzgalov has been the lesser goalie of the two in every game he's played this season if memory serves me correctly.

That puts him theoretically as the worst goalie in the NHL on any given night. He has GOT to be better.

Our team with a better Bryzgalov is a Cup Contender. Maybe not a winner because we have so many young guys and rookies, but we're certainly among the better three teams in the Conference.



Trading JVR is the stupidest decision we could possibly make right now.



That's the only legitimate question this offseason.



So basically, you're using my plan except for some reason you're expecting Hovinen to be a competent NHL back-up.

So what happens if he's not? And Bryz, like I'm expecting, decides to **** the bed once again? I'd say we could recall Leighton for the LULZ alone, but Leighton's out of his contract. Which brings up another point where we only have two goalies in the entire system, and they're both in the NHL. That's a recipe for disaster. (Another reason we should go get Eriksson again, but that's another argument for another day.)

So we've established that trading Bob is stupid.

Now...I like the Suter/Weber plan except for the price. 6.5m/year long term sounds fine.

I think we play it like we played Hamhuis. Get his rights. Try to get him signed. If we get him signed, goodbye Carle. If we don't sign Suter/Weber, Carle immediately becomes our back-up plan with a very thin market out there to begin with.
Now that you mention it, trading bob in the scenario I posted might be irrelevant. If you took out hovinen from that roster and put bob back in there, could we agree on that? Also, I'm not sure suter would sign for less than what I proposed.

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 05:19 PM
  #24
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 13,998
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
Now that you mention it, trading bob in the scenario I posted might be irrelevant. If you took out hovinen from that roster and put bob back in there, could we agree on that? Also, I'm not sure suter would sign for less than what I proposed.
I'd at least try to talk him into it.

I'd go higher if I'm Holmgren if the cap really is going up again.

I'd be uneasy past 6.50m though. I'd still probably go as high as 7.00m if he agreed to a sane amount of years.

Quite frankly, I find it extremely hard to believe Holmgren couldn't get him to drop to 6.50m by adding term.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-27-2012, 05:19 PM
  #25
FlyersFan61290
Registered User
 
FlyersFan61290's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 8,495
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
What I'm saying is this team is not going to compete for a cup.

And they're not going to compete for a cup next year unless changes are made.

Maybe my post was a little harsh in terms of retooling the team but I think changes do need to be made.

Maybe we don't trade Jvr, hope that he breaks out and Bryzgalov regains form. We let kubina, Carle and Jagr walk. We sign suter for 7 years 7.2, resign grossman, pick the best d man available with our pick (bottom half of the 1st) and hope he develops. Resign voracek for 3.5, sign gaustad for 1.5, resign
Bourdon for .9, trade Bob for picks, bring hovinen over to backup bryz.

Hartnell(4.2)-Giroux(3.75)-Briere(6.5)
Simmonds(1.75)-Schenn(3.1)-vanRiemsdyk(4.25)
Read(.9)-Couturier(1.375)-Voracek(3.5)
Rinaldo(.54)-Gaustad (1.5)-Talbot(1.75)

Suter(7.2)-Meszaros(4)
Timonen(6.3)-Coburn(3.2)
Gustafsson(.9)-Grossman(2.5)

Bryzgalov(5.6)
Hovinen(1.1)

~ 67 cap
~ 63.8 cap hit
~ 3 cap space
You don't have a 7th D-man (lilja - $737,500) or a 13th forward (Shelley - 1.1 mil) listed, i think Grossman gets a little more then 2.5 (2.75-3 mil) and I think Gaustad gets a little more then 1.5 (1.8 mil). Those things essentially eliminate the 3 mil in remaining cap space, leaving you with about .5 mil which isn't enough, but if they could make it work by giving suter say 6.8 mil or so than i think thats a pretty good lineup. My one concern with that team would be Hovinen though. Idk if he'd be ready to step into a backup role in his first season in north American hockey.

as much as I love bob if the flyers could move him for a first and get two picks in the 18-25 range i would love that as long as the flyers have a competent backup

FlyersFan61290 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:47 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.