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01-06-2012, 12:26 AM
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TommyHawk,

I think it depends on what you are trying to measure.

I have a history of attending St John's Maple Leafs games, St. John's Fog Devils and St. John's Ice Caps games.

I found that the empty seats that used to be found in Mile One when the Fog Devils played really lessened my enjoyment of the game, to the point where I pretty quickly stopped going. In an effort to quantify that feeling I started these calculations.

Everyone is different, but to me I rather have our 6300 in a rink that holds 6300, than 8,000 in a rink that holds 12,000, let alone 16,000. YMMV.

(It was also a chance to get a dig in on the Marlies)
I think the owners that are trying to pay the bills would differ in that opinion.

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The team might, If was a fan in either situation, I'll sit in the stadium with 4800 in it
So, in other words, you don't care about the team or watching the game, you want to sit in a full arena.


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They're one fan on average away from being #30 right now.
Just put them in the top 30. Also, how many arenas curtain off the upper bowl? I know Houston does in addition to the others previously mentioned.

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01-06-2012, 10:01 AM
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Understood, but it's one thing to play a game where the team might draw 10-15K which may be double than their per game average. It's another for one game to draw over 12 times their per game average. An extra 1000 fans would take the Phantoms from 27th to 19th place and would put them in your top 30 where they clearly do not belong.
That's why you see this:
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Again, this is for entertainment purposes only.

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01-06-2012, 11:12 PM
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Thanks, I used Wikipedia, I'll modify the number, and I am planning to update the sheet every couple of weeks or so.

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Go Amerks!!
Also, the hockey capacity at the Q (Lake Erie) is 10,231 with the upper deck curtained off. By the way, I know that the Monsters list their capacity at 20,562, but that's the basketball capacity. With the basketball-only temporary seats removed, the capacity is 19,941.

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01-07-2012, 12:14 AM
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They're one fan on average away from being #30 right now.
They just passed Cincinnati by 15 a game to average 4380. That will go to 5,000 after the Packers are done playing in February!

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01-07-2012, 03:10 PM
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That's why you see this:
Took the words right off of my fingers, Rum

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01-16-2012, 11:58 PM
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As many of you have pointed out, AHL Adirondack's entry into the list was on the strength of the 45k+ announced crowd at the outdoor game -- however, I'm still putting them in, since that's how many tickets were sold, no matter how odd and dissatisfying the circumstances. Those of you who are curious, the team they've pushed out was #31 CHL Tulsa (currently about 37 fans per game out of the #30 spot) -- that wouldn't have made the alignment any easier. ECHL Cincinnati _was_ in as of a couple of weeks ago, but has now slipped out to #34.

Swapping Cincinnati for Glens Falls hasn't made the alignment any easier, but here's a shot at it. Numbers are as of after games of 1/15/12.

EASTERN CONFERENCE (15 teams)
Northeastern Division (5)
#7 Providence (AHL) - 6,698.5
#9 St. John's (AHL) - 6,304.9
#17 Portland (AHL) - 5,463.9
#22 Manchester (AHL) - 5,220.5
#26 Bridgeport (AHL) - 4,938.7

Atlantic Division (5)
#5 Lake Erie (AHL) - 6,776.9
#14 Adirondack (AHL) - 5,538.2
#19 Rochester (AHL) - 5,440.7
#25 Syracuse (AHL) - 4,955.9
#28 Toronto (AHL) - 4,792.2

Southeastern Division (5)
#1 Hershey (AHL) - 9,439.7
#10 Charlotte (AHL) - 5,928.5
#16 Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (AHL) - 5,516.3
#23 Gwinnett (ECHL) - 5,025.2
#29 Florida (ECHL) - 4,705.3

WESTERN CONFERENCE (15)
Great Lakes Division (5)
#2 Fort Wayne (CHL) - 7,662.7
#3 Chicago (AHL) - 6,782.4
#4 Grand Rapids (AHL) - 6,779.2
#12 Toledo (ECHL) - 5,699.9
#27 Peoria (AHL) - 4,806.5

Southern Division (5)
#6 Houston (AHL) - 6,719.5
#8 San Antonio (AHL) - 6,489.1
#13 Wichita (CHL) - 5,680.3
#18 Texas (AHL) - 5,444.1
#20 Missouri (CHL) - 5,436.9

Western Division (5)
#11 Stockton (ECHL) - 5,766.3
#15 Ontario (ECHL) - 5,517.4
#21 Colorado (ECHL) - 5,289
#24 Bakersfield (ECHL) - 5,000.0
#30 Rapid City (CHL) - 4,702.5

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01-18-2012, 07:24 PM
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With the Packers gone, it is time for the Admirals to make their move up the ladder!

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01-28-2012, 01:25 PM
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With the Packers gone, it is time for the Admirals to make their move up the ladder!
Up the ladder they move, now averaging over 5,000 thanks to the 17,000+ at last night's game.

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01-28-2012, 01:56 PM
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Up the ladder they move, now averaging over 5,000 thanks to the 17,000+ at last night's game.
I believe that they moved up 5 spots in AHL attendance. They passed Toronto, Hamilton, Bridgeport, Peoria and Syracuse. It is a slim margin over the last two.

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01-30-2012, 03:25 AM
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I'll do the full post tomorrow, but here's the quick summary as of the games of 1/29:

OUT: ECHL Florida (currently at #31), CHL Rapid City (currently at #33).
IN: AHL Hamilton (previously at #39), AHL Milwaukee (previously at #33).

That's going to play holy hell with alignments

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02-17-2012, 02:32 PM
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Can't help but notice that Florida's ECHL team is right on the heels of Toronto's AHL team.

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02-23-2012, 03:14 PM
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OK, I never actually did the list three weeks ago when I was thinking about doing it. In the intervening time, ECHL Florida poked its head into, then back out of the top 30, and AHL Hamilton fell back out, to be replaced by AHL Norfolk.

Here's an attempt to make it all make sense:

NATIONAL CONFERENCE (15 teams)
Northeastern Division (5)
#3 Providence (AHL) - 7,525.1
#9 St. John's (AHL) - 6,301.0
#17 Manchester (AHL) - 5,440.4
#21 Portland (AHL) - 5,283.3
#29 Bridgeport (AHL) - 4,874.5

Atlantic Division (5)
#1 Hershey (AHL) - 9,672.5
#15 Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (AHL) - 5,613.1
#23 Adirondack (AHL) - 5,136.3
#26 Syracuse (AHL) - 5,120.0
#30 Norfolk (AHL) - 4,854.1

Great Lakes Division (5)
#2 Fort Wayne (CHL) - 7,772.7
#4 Lake Erie (AHL) - 7,512.4
#12 Toledo (ECHL) - 5,991.0
#19 Rochester (AHL) - 5,410.0
#24 Toronto (AHL) - 5,133.9

AMERICAN CONFERENCE (15 teams)
Central Division (5)
#5 Chicago (AHL) - 7,362.8
#7 Grand Rapids (AHL) - 6,922.9
#16 Missouri (CHL) - 5,467.8
#22 Milwaukee (AHL) - 5,161.5
#27 Peoria (AHL) - 5,095.3

Southern Division (5)
#6 Houston (AHL) - 7,108.2
#8 San Antonio (AHL) - 6,893.9
#11 Charlotte (AHL) - 6,115.0
#18 Texas (AHL) - 5,438.0
#25 Gwinnett (ECHL) - 5,129.0

Western Division (5)
#10 Wichita (CHL) - 6,273.6
#13 Ontario (ECHL) - 5,968.9
#14 Stockton (ECHL) - 5,724.2
#20 Colorado (ECHL) - 5,289.0
#28 Bakersfield (ECHL) - 4,927.8

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02-23-2012, 06:45 PM
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Wow! It is a tight pack from #20 to #30! Just over 400 people a game.

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Wow! It is a tight pack from #20 to #30! Just over 400 people a game.
Its kinda sad that Peoria is only ~70 fans lower in average attendance than Milwaukee considering their lack of "gimmicks" (aka concerts). Or maybe its just impressive that Peoria is drawing that many?

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Its kinda sad that Peoria is only ~70 fans lower in average attendance than Milwaukee considering their lack of "gimmicks" (aka concerts). Or maybe its just impressive that Peoria is drawing that many?
I don't know if it is more or less impressive. There isn't as much competition for the entertainment dollars in Peoria as there is in Chicago or Milwaukee.

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Providence is only on that list because of B1G1 Sundays....

Kills me that now that the team is terrible AND that they've raised prices the last three years that they're a draw, instead of whey there phenominal (Rask, Krecji, Mark Stuart, Boychuk, McQuaid, etc)


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Its kinda sad that Peoria is only ~70 fans lower in average attendance than Milwaukee considering their lack of "gimmicks" (aka concerts). Or maybe its just impressive that Peoria is drawing that many?
Country Music Night didn't draw well this year. The other Country guest was big. The Drop Kick Murphys may never be back after the odd crowd that they drew last night. I haven't seen people slam dancing in 20 years. I would not want to pay an extra $20 to be on the ice and have some idiot knock me down while I was watching the concert. Too many tattoos and weird earings; and that was just the guys!

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Would love to see The Dropkick Murphy's play and i'm not a fan of Irish music types.

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Country Music Night didn't draw well this year. The other Country guest was big. The Drop Kick Murphys may never be back after the odd crowd that they drew last night. I haven't seen people slam dancing in 20 years. I would not want to pay an extra $20 to be on the ice and have some idiot knock me down while I was watching the concert. Too many tattoos and weird earings; and that was just the guys!
(Not trying to sound rude) but if the appearances were surprising this year, its been the same scene of people the previous two years too. Last year, some girl got elbowed/kicked in the head on the ice and had to be dragged out by the medical staff... not my idea of fun!

The reason the Ads office likes that "clientele" is the fact they make a killing on concessions (read: BEER!). This year's crowd was pretty sparse during the game, unlike the previous two years, although I wonder how much was Chicago fans coming up the past two years as the game was against the Wolves the last two years.

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It's nice to see us drawing a consistent crowd in Norfolk finally. It doesn't help when about 1/6th of your fan base can't attend a game on a given night, or the fact that you don't have a lot of "hometown" fans due to the overload of military in the area, yet in a non-hockey market, we are at well over 53% night in and night out.

Also helps when the team is sitting atop the East right now.

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It's nice to see us drawing a consistent crowd in Norfolk finally. It doesn't help when about 1/6th of your fan base can't attend a game on a given night, or the fact that you don't have a lot of "hometown" fans due to the overload of military in the area, yet in a non-hockey market, we are at well over 53% night in and night out.

Also helps when the team is sitting atop the East right now.
Thank god, it shuts up DISgrace. I think he has a beef with Norfolk by the way he says their name. LOL

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(Not trying to sound rude) but if the appearances were surprising this year, its been the same scene of people the previous two years too. Last year, some girl got elbowed/kicked in the head on the ice and had to be dragged out by the medical staff... not my idea of fun!

The reason the Ads office likes that "clientele" is the fact they make a killing on concessions (read: BEER!). This year's crowd was pretty sparse during the game, unlike the previous two years, although I wonder how much was Chicago fans coming up the past two years as the game was against the Wolves the last two years.
You are not rude at all. There was a higher percentage of the sleeve tattoo crowd this year. I couldn't believe the number of people crowded onto that mat in front of the stage. The Dropkick Murphys need to lay off the F-bombs. I couldn't hear the first few songs and the deal about security during the first stoppage, so I moved. Then I heard about 10 F-bombs from the band.

I agree that the some of the crowd wasn't watching the game. The people were lined up 3 deep at the stand selling T-shirts and CDs for the band. There were a lot of people at the souvenier stands too. I had a hard time walking in the concourse. It was easier to walk with the 14,419 people on Sunday. The Admirals are now 11th in the AHL with 5659 a game. Just 6 behind WBS and 500 in front of Peoria.


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Your ignorance of bands is your own issue. It's not like they've been around for 16 years.

Glad to see Hershey picking back up. Started to notice some other teams' booster clubs showing up. They're always fun to talk to.

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I gotta ask, what the hell is the point in having booster clubs in this league, particuarly if a teams NHL Owned?

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I gotta ask, what the hell is the point in having booster clubs in this league, particuarly if a teams NHL Owned?
Not sure what NHL ownership has to do with it. Booster clubs support the AHL team in their city and interact with groups from other teams. They also are largely involved in charity works in their areas. It's a good social tool and gives a sense of community around the league.

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