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02-27-2012, 06:21 PM
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You don't have a 7th D-man (lilja - $737,500) or a 13th forward (Shelley - 1.1 mil) listed, i think Grossman gets a little more then 2.5 (2.75-3 mil) and I think Gaustad gets a little more then 1.5 (1.8 mil). Those things essentially eliminate the 3 mil in remaining cap space, leaving you with about .5 mil which isn't enough, but if they could make it work by giving suter say 6.8 mil or so than i think thats a pretty good lineup. My one concern with that team would be Hovinen though. Idk if he'd be ready to step into a backup role in his first season in north American hockey.

as much as I love bob if the flyers could move him for a first and get two picks in the 18-25 range i would love that
His numbers are incorrect to begin with. They're not going to just do away with the bonus cushion. It was instituted for a reason.

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02-27-2012, 06:31 PM
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His numbers are incorrect to begin with. They're not going to just do away with the bonus cushion. It was instituted for a reason.
oh shiz, i didn't even realize

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His numbers are incorrect to begin with. They're not going to just do away with the bonus cushion. It was instituted for a reason.
You're riight I forgot about the cushion. The cap hit would actually be lower than that then, correct?

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I'd at least try to talk him into it.

I'd go higher if I'm Holmgren if the cap really is going up again.

I'd be uneasy past 6.50m though. I'd still probably go as high as 7.00m if he agreed to a sane amount of years.

Quite frankly, I find it extremely hard to believe Holmgren couldn't get him to drop to 6.50m by adding term.
I'd say 7 years is an acceptable term for a 26-27 year old Olympian and playoff veteran. No idea what the price will have to be though, but I imagine we'd have to pay more than Nashville, and sweeten the pot so he chooses us over other top teams. Gotta imagine Homer will float bonuses, chances to opt out, and the usual NTC/NMC he hands out like candy on Halloween.

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You're riight I forgot about the cushion. The cap hit would actually be lower than that then, correct?
See my numbers as a reference. They are the correct numbers we're talking about (except those in bold of course which are my projections for re-signings).

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I'd say 7 years is an acceptable term for a 26-27 year old Olympian and playoff veteran. No idea what the price will have to be though, but I imagine we'd have to pay more than Nashville, and sweeten the pot so he chooses us over other top teams. Gotta imagine Homer will float bonuses, chances to opt out, and the usual NTC/NMC he hands out like candy on Halloween.
Quite frankly, I'd inquire about the availability of Weber. I'd rather have him if Carle is the one leaving.

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02-27-2012, 06:55 PM
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Why, exactly, do people think that Gaustad is going to sign with the Flyers for a drop in pay? He's making $2.3 mil this season.

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If Gaustad doesn't stick around in Nashville, might be my #1 target up front.
From Homer:

Q: Did you have any interest in Paul Gaustad today?

He was a player that we talked about prior to making any the moves that we made with acquiring our defensemen. He’s a guy that I think had a lot of interest around the league and you saw the price that they got was pretty steep. Once we added our defensemen, we didn’t really focus on that player.

.... so at least he is on the radar.

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Cap is likely going to be more like 62-64M. Projected to go up to around $69M under current rules, but that's with the players getting 57%. That is not likely to hold, probably more like 52-53%, so figure a 10% or so cut.

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02-27-2012, 07:04 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.300m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($0.900m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($0.930m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.200m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / /
Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($6.350m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossman ($2.600m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.875m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($0.900)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,091,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $8,698,056


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02-27-2012, 07:09 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.300m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.200m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / /
Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($6.350m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossman ($2.600m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.875m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,091,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,463,056
Schenn (0.90)
Couturier (0.93)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

Fix those numbers.

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02-27-2012, 07:16 PM
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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.300m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.200m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / /
Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($6.350m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossman ($2.600m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.875m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,091,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,463,056
I like this line-up, though you're underpaying what I think it would take to sign Gaustad; however, that is offset by (IMHO) a too-generous increase in Grossman's salary. Suter's salary is probably a tad low, too, but that's nitpicking.

Waiving Shelley (once Holmgren realizes Sestito makes him redundant) and replacing him with a low-salary PK specialist would round things out quite nicely.

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02-27-2012, 07:19 PM
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Schenn (0.90)
Couturier (0.93)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

Fix those numbers.
Gracias, Senor. Not sure if my math's 100% accurate, capgeek wouldn't let me alter their salaries on the site.

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Quite frankly, I'd inquire about the availability of Weber. I'd rather have him if Carle is the one leaving.
I absolutely agree with that, but I have no idea what he'll cost. Nashville could likely just re-sign Suter and hold onto Weber until they get the compensatory picks or trade they want in return. Any idea what the compensation would be for him?

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02-27-2012, 07:30 PM
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FORWARDS
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Arron Asham ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Matt Carle ($4.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.750m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,922,500; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $77,500

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Honestly, there's no point in not putting Schenn in the minors for the first game.

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Most of the Toronto media is predicting that the salary cap will decrease in '12-13. Is that the consensus on these boards?

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Most of the Toronto media is predicting that the salary cap will decrease in '12-13. Is that the consensus on these boards?
Only makes sense. NFL and NBA players just got 50-52% of revenues. No way the NHL players get 57%.

At 57% the cap will be around $69M. At 51.3% (a 10% cut) the cap is only $62.1M.

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Gracias, Senor. Not sure if my math's 100% accurate, capgeek wouldn't let me alter their salaries on the site.
Just check the bonus cushion option.

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Schenn (0.90)
Couturier (0.93)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

Fix those numbers.
He's using the bonus cushion though. The cap payroll exceeds the salary cap, but he still has the cap space as if the numbers above were inserted. It's nothing wrong presenting the numbers the way he did, from what I can understand. If Schenn, Couturier and Bobrovsky would all earn their bonuses we would just have a carryover bonus overage to the 13-14 seaon. Just like we have this year, after having had a larger cap payroll in the end than what the salary cap was for the last season.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Matt Carle ($5.000m) / Barret Jackman ($3.800m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.900m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,566,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,433,056

-Fire Lavy if we don't look good in the playoffs or even make the playoffs. Sorry I just hate the offensive system.
-Trade/waive/retire Shelley. He just isn't needed anymore with Sestito on this roster.
-Trade Mez for picks. I like his hitting/slap shot but he puts himself out of position way too often. Positioning is one of the most important skills as a d-man.
-Trade the rights for Vorachek. I just don't see how he is worth as much as he wants. He is great at defense and good with puck handling, but his shot is really weak. I'd rather use the cap on free agents and get a pick for him, which you could fetch a late first for his rights.

I didn't do many changes, but this is a young team and a lot of players should be that much better next season.

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He's using the bonus cushion though. The cap payroll exceeds the salary cap, but he still has the cap space as if the numbers above were inserted. It's nothing wrong presenting the numbers the way he did, from what I can understand. If Schenn, Couturier and Bobrovsky would all earn their bonuses we would just have a carryover bonus overage to the 13-14 seaon. Just like we have this year, after having had a larger cap payroll in the end than what the salary cap was for the last season.
This is why I was confused, I figured the bonus cushion already took care of it already.

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Most of the Toronto media is predicting that the salary cap will decrease in '12-13. Is that the consensus on these boards?

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This would be my roster if

a) There is an amnesty buyout, which the Flyers use on Bryzgalov
and b) cap does come in around $62.5M

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / 4th line Grinder ($1.250m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Ryan Suter ($6.500m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.500m)
/ Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) / UFA/RFA Goalie ($4.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,180,277; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,874,723


Actually still works (barely) if Bryzgalov is there, but I'd prefer it if it could be Rask or Pavelec or someone else. Grinder could be someone like Kostpolous or Paille.

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How are you guys doing this cap calculator thing? I would like to do one for myself but I can't find anything...

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Hover over calculators up top. Choose 2012-2013 calculator.

Enter Cap up top ($62-64M if you believe the CBA will reduce the percentage; $68-70M if you don't). Check the bonus cushion check box. Then away you go.

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