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02-27-2012, 06:57 PM
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Eller is on pace to doubling his production from last year. His progression isn't over, and his numbers will most likely improve next year.

Halak for Eller was a good deal.
That's "TBD", hence why I put the deal in TBD.

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02-27-2012, 07:04 PM
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Yep, Blunden was a decent move (forgot about him).

Kaberle could probably be put in TBA, but the 2 extra years on his deal are tough to swallow at his age/declining play. As I said, I'm not a hater of his, just that it was unnecessary considering the implications of getting him (shield him 5-on-5, the length of his deal).
if Markov is fine, and we need the cap space we can easily move him, heck after seeing what the Devils paid for Zidlicky, we would get a good return too for Kaberle.

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02-27-2012, 08:26 PM
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This thread again.

Here lemme save everyone some time: Gainey and Gauthier are TERRIBLE. They are disrespectful to the media, they lie and are vegetarian (yuck!!). We have a team full of smurfs and useless fighters - how dare they trade a heart-and-sole player like Andrei Kovalev???

Anyway, I'm excited to see Patrick Roy as GM and Coach and Grigengko as the first line centre next year. Fail for nail!

ps: Dominc Moore for a 2nd round pick?!?!?!? What a stupid trade.
Let me get this straight, our last 2 GMs have been vegetarians ? The heads of a team where players are to be muscle bound, aggressive etc, wont tear into a T-bone ? So laroque was a vegetarian at heart and wouldnt fight, these 2 GMS, done, unless the GM will eat a rare steak, dont even think about him

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02-27-2012, 08:32 PM
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Gauthier >>> Gainey and it is not even close!

Most of Gainey's moves (Ribeiro, Beauchemin, Gomez...) were brain dead bad.
Most of Gauthier's moves (Emelin, Cole, Gill, Bournival, Eller, Schultz...) were good.

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02-27-2012, 08:39 PM
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Gauthier >>> Gainey and it is not even close!

Most of Gainey's moves (Ribeiro, Beauchemin, Gomez...) were brain dead bad.
Most of Gauthier's moves (Emelin, Cole, Gill, Bournival, Eller, Schultz...) were good.
Gorges+Pacioretty was a Gainey trade.

Signing Gill was a gainey move.

Emelin was drafted under Gainey's watch.

Eller/Schultz, please, many argued PG should've got better for Halak. Not saying he could've, I'm just saying, that deal wasn't a steal by any means. We had a goalie on fire during the playoffs and we got a good return from him. Mike Milbury could've got a good return from halak.

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02-27-2012, 08:57 PM
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The Bad
- Aaron Palushaj for Matt D'Agostini
I might leave this one under TBD
D'Agostini has 18 points in 52 NHL games and he's 25/26 years old

Palushaj has 31 points in 31 AHL games and is 21/22 years old

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02-27-2012, 09:01 PM
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Gorges+Pacioretty was a Gainey trade.

Signing Gill was a gainey move.

Emelin was drafted under Gainey's watch.

Eller/Schultz, please, many argued PG should've got better for Halak. Not saying he could've, I'm just saying, that deal wasn't a steal by any means. We had a goalie on fire during the playoffs and we got a good return from him. Mike Milbury could've got a good return from halak.
Gauthier also made some bad moves: Kostitsyn for "only" a second round pick, Lapierre... but in general ("... Most of...") I think Gauthier ends up on the good side of the deal while Gainey ended up on the wrong side.

Halak: (1) he shipped the right goalie away and (2) the return (Eller and Shultz) was good.

Emelin: Gauthier is the one who "dared" to sign him to a one way (similar to a one way contact: Emelin has an out clause if they send him to the AHL) contract.

I am not a huge fan of Gauthier but imo he is far better than Gainey.

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02-27-2012, 09:03 PM
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PIERRE GAUTHIER

In Gauthier's case, the way he's handled himself in regards to anticipating our needs and evaluating talent may speak more than this list below.

The Home Runs
- Erik Cole
- Blake Geoffrion, Robert Slaney, 2nd rounder for Hal Gill
- Bringing Alexei Emelin over

The Good
- Dominic Moore for a 2nd rounder (bad: not re-signing him)
- Jeff Halpern (bad: not re-signing him/Blair Betts)
- James Wisniewski for a 2nd rounder (bad: not even attempting to re-sign him)
- Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland and 2013 2nd rounder for Mike Cammalleri, Karri Ramo and 2012 5th rounder
- Raphael Diaz

The Decent/OK/Whatever
- Mike Blunden for Ryan Russell
- Kyle Klubertanz
- Alex Henry
- Karri Ramo for Cedrick Desjardins
- Paul Mara for 5th rounder
- Brent Sopel and Nigel Dawes for Ben Maxwell and 4th rounder (traded back)
- Drew MacIntyre for Brett Festerling
- Petteri Nokelainen and Garrett Stafford for Brock Trotter and 7th rounder

TBD
- Lars Eller, Ian Schultz for Jaroslav Halak
- Michael Bournival for Ryan O'Byrne
- Mark Mitera for Mathieu Carle
- Tomas Kaberle for Jaroslav Spacek (could also be abysmal)

The Bad
- Aaron Palushaj for Matt D'Agostini
- Alex Picard
- Jeff Woywitka
- Chris Campoli
- Blair Betts debacle

The Abysmal
- Brett Festerling and 5th rounder for Max Lapierre
Sergei Kostitsyn

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02-27-2012, 09:04 PM
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Sergei Kostitsyn
Such a bad deal I wiped it from my memory. I think we know where this one goes.

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I might leave this one under TBD
D'Agostini has 18 points in 52 NHL games and he's 25/26 years old

Palushaj has 31 points in 31 AHL games and is 21/22 years old
D'Agostini has 89 points in 235 games as a 25-year old

Palushaj has 1 point in 25 games as a 22-year old

You're not quite accurate.

That deal sent a depth guy for a marginal NHLer/AHL scorer. Bad trade for now.

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02-27-2012, 09:05 PM
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Tanguay belongs in the abysmal list to me. We gave a first and second rounder for a guy we let walk away 1 year later, who signed for half the money of the contract we took him on. That's abysmal.
I think it was a bad move too.

And there's no way that Cammy for Bourque should be listed under 'good'. That was a dumb move.

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02-27-2012, 09:07 PM
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D'Agostini has 89 points in 235 games as a 25-year old

Palushaj has 1 point in 25 games as a 22-year old

You're not quite accurate.

That deal sent a depth guy for a marginal NHLer/AHL scorer. Bad trade for now.
D'Agostini was probably the worst player to play for a regular shift for the Habs in three years. The softest, most confused player on the ice. He contributed nothing, it was addition by subtraction.

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02-27-2012, 09:08 PM
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I think it was a bad move too.

And there's no way that Cammy for Bourque should be listed under 'good'. That was a dumb move.
"Good" is relative.

I quantify that as good because we part ourselves from a disgruntled player that wasn't cutting it here anymore, saving money, and picking up a 2nd round draft choice as well as Patrick Holland (who's emerging in his own right).

We've gone over this before, but Bourque's also been the better offensive player, statistically, over the last few seasons.

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02-27-2012, 09:09 PM
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D'Agostini was probably the worst player to play for a regular shift for the Habs in three years. The softest, most confused player on the ice. He contributed nothing, it was addition by subtraction.
He's a good top 9 winger elsewhere, so your argument is irrelevant.

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02-27-2012, 09:13 PM
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I don't like Palushaj at all but he has time to become as good as D'agostini. That's not a very high bar.

Right now he looks more like Ben Maxwell to me, but he's not hopeless.

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02-27-2012, 09:30 PM
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"Good" is relative.

I quantify that as good because we part ourselves from a disgruntled player that wasn't cutting it here anymore, saving money, and picking up a 2nd round draft choice as well as Patrick Holland (who's emerging in his own right).

We've gone over this before, but Bourque's also been the better offensive player, statistically, over the last few seasons.
I'm sorry but this wasn't a good move. It's a question of opportunity cost plus we saddled ourselves with a guy who's not really going to do anything for us for the next three or four years.

Meanwhile, Cammy is doing exactly what Calgary would hope he'd do and helping them to make the playoffs. He's played pretty well over there and since they're trying to make 8th, it was a good trade for them.

I could also mention the sloppy, knee jerk reactive way this trade was made or the fact that we could've gotten more but it wouldn't change the fact that the result wasn't good anyway...

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Meanwhile, Cammy is doing exactly what Calgary would hope he'd do and helping them to make the playoffs. He's played pretty well over there and since they're trying to make 8th, it was a good trade for them.
He's got 5 goals and 8 points (-6) in 17 games. Not to burst your bubble, but how exactly is that "pretty well"?

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He's got 5 goals and 8 points (-6) in 17 games. Not to burst your bubble, but how exactly is that "pretty well"?
He's played pretty well as of late.

Just getting a point was a miracle since he'd been playing with Comeau and Kostopoulos for quite some time. With Glencross back, he should be doing better.

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He's got 5 goals and 8 points (-6) in 17 games. Not to burst your bubble, but how exactly is that "pretty well"?
He's heating up and he's also won them a game in a shootout as well as giving them a chance to win a shootout (which they lost) last game.

He's not Gretzky but he's coming off a four game point streak and playing pretty well after a slow start.

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I don't remember the exact circumstances under which Mark Streit was let go as a UFA, but it seems to me that not signing him while he was cheap was a bad decision.

Every single season since he left, the management spent assets to get rental "PP specialists" (Mathieu Schneider, M-A Bergeron, Wisniewski, and Kaberle this year), which they wouldn't have needed to do if they kept Streit, and actually let him play defense instead of 4th line RW.

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I don't remember the exact circumstances under which Mark Streit was let go as a UFA, but it seems to me that not signing him while he was cheap was a bad decision.

Every single season since he left, the management spent assets to get rental "PP specialists" (Mathieu Schneider, M-A Bergeron, Wisniewski, and Kaberle this year), which they wouldn't have needed to do if they kept Streit, and actually let him play defense instead of 4th line RW.
We could've have him for cheap if he played D. Carbs didn't think that was a good idea. Hence, why he left.

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He's heating up and he's also won them a game in a shootout as well as giving them a chance to win a shootout (which they lost) last game.

He's not Gretzky but he's coming off a four game point streak and playing pretty well after a slow start.
I just looked on behind the net and it appeared that, out of players with at least 40 games played, Cammalleri has played the toughest minutes in the entire NHL. Prety low PDO too. Crazy how we transformed a guy from a soft minutes unidimensionnal player into a more well rounded legit ES first line caliber player only to trade him for an unidimensionnal soft minutes player.

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PIERRE GAUTHIER

In Gauthier's case, the way he's handled himself in regards to anticipating our needs and evaluating talent may speak more than this list below.

The Home Runs
- Erik Cole
- Blake Geoffrion, Robert Slaney, 2nd rounder for Hal Gill
- Bringing Alexei Emelin over

The Good
- Dominic Moore for a 2nd rounder (bad: not re-signing him)
- Jeff Halpern (bad: not re-signing him/Blair Betts)
- James Wisniewski for a 2nd rounder (bad: not even attempting to re-sign him)
- Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland and 2013 2nd rounder for Mike Cammalleri, Karri Ramo and 2012 5th rounder
- Raphael Diaz

The Decent/OK/Whatever
- Mike Blunden for Ryan Russell
- Kyle Klubertanz
- Alex Henry
- Karri Ramo for Cedrick Desjardins
- Paul Mara for 5th rounder
- Brent Sopel and Nigel Dawes for Ben Maxwell and 4th rounder (traded back)
- Drew MacIntyre for Brett Festerling
- Petteri Nokelainen and Garrett Stafford for Brock Trotter and 7th rounder

TBD
- Lars Eller, Ian Schultz for Jaroslav Halak
- Michael Bournival for Ryan O'Byrne
- Mark Mitera for Mathieu Carle
- Tomas Kaberle for Jaroslav Spacek (could also be abysmal)

The Bad
- Aaron Palushaj for Matt D'Agostini
- Alex Picard
- Jeff Woywitka
- Chris Campoli
- Blair Betts debacle

The Abysmal
- Brett Festerling and 5th rounder for Max Lapierre
- Sergei Kostitsyn for...yeah I got nothing.
i'd put diaz in the homerun category. named to the all-star rookie team and signed for nothing. blair betts is not his fault. homer put him on waivers injured. he failed our physical, we sent him back.i think you forgot markov. and i don't think wiznewski is bad. it's debatable that he was always going to be testing free agency, but at 5.5 for 6 years, do you want to match that offer?

i agree with your list and it confirms what i already knew, that gauthier is an average GM with extremely poor interpersonal skills...

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