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02-27-2012, 07:57 PM
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Less and less talent on this team, anybody else worried?

With Cammalleri and Kostitsyn now gone and Bourque and whoever (Palushaj, Geoffrion?) to take their places this team is losing in the skill area.

Cammalleri was a great sniper. Kostitsyn, while having less hockey IQ, did show some dangling and flashy moves when he felt like it.

I imagine the spectacle will be elsewhere.

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I'm more worried about the lack of top end skill than anything.

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not at all- we're going for a top 3 pick. once summer hits, and do all that off-season junk, things will be fine. remember, we have price, subban and pacioretty. the habs are on the right track it doesn't happen overnight.

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02-27-2012, 08:23 PM
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Cammalerri was a great sniper? Where is the proof?

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We will suck for 5 years, so we will be rebuilding thrue the draft. Althought PG being our GM you can make it 10 years

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Right now we need more skill than "toughness" on the forward end. The draft will be a start but unless we are going for MacKinnon we need help for next season. There's like 4 forwards on this team with above average hands, and while our top 3 centres can pass, the only winger right now with any competence in passing the puck is Pacioretty.

I'm glad the team is going for more balance, but if the obsession with toughness makes us lose our identity completely and get rid of all skill, it's going to be ugly.

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Cammalerri was a great sniper? Where is the proof?
Playoff stats : 32gp 17g 15a 32pts

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The best Cammalleri has done is 26 goals in the regular season for 6 million a year in his time as a Montreal Canadien.

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We will suck for 5 years, so we will be rebuilding thrue the draft. Althought PG being our GM you can make it 10 years
No, you're wrong.

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No, you're wrong.
great arguement...

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In terms of offense Bourque pretty much replaces Kostitsyn. The question is finding a top six winger to replace Cammalleri if they want to be good next season. In this UFA market that's not an easy feat.

Scoring winger depth has become a weakness for this team after being a strength a few months ago.

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great arguement...
Better than the comment he's responding to.

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Darche is slowly finding his way back on the powerplay.

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I was discussing that last time and how RC killed even more the little skill we had.
Cole-MaxPac-DD-Plek-Gomez-Gionta-Leblanc-Palushaj-Cammy-Darche-Bourque-Moen-Noke-White..
Not one of those guys can actually deke out an opponent. They will try to outskate by inside or out, crash the net, or take a shot, but never deke.
AK and Eller were the only two that could. But, AK turns the puck over trying to do that and he gets glued to the bench, then is told to follow the dump and chase peewee style system.

Remember earlier this year when Eller was getting some favorable match ups and was paired with AK/Moen? They dominated and controlled the play continuously in the offensive zone. Eller lacked finish, but he was getting a lot of chances. They were by far our most creative trio.

With AK gone now, we only have Eller that is capable of it, but even he isn't all that great to it. Very similar to Plekanec but a little bit better.

It's really bad..

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If he puts it together, Avtsin has the same skillset as Andrei. Next year is make or break for him though, if he doesn't go back to Russia.

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The question is finding a top six winger to replace Cammalleri if they want to be good next season. In this UFA market that's not an easy feat.
His name is Gionta and will complement Plek and Bourque next season on the 2nd line.

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I was discussing that last time and how RC killed even more the little skill we had.
Cole-MaxPac-DD-Plek-Gomez-Gionta-Leblanc-Palushaj-Cammy-Darche-Bourque-Moen-Noke-White..
Not one of those guys can actually deke out an opponent. They will try to outskate by inside or out, crash the net, or take a shot, but never deke.
AK and Eller were the only two that could. But, AK turns the puck over trying to do that and he gets glued to the bench, then is told to follow the dump and chase peewee style system.

Remember earlier this year when Eller was getting some favorable match ups and was paired with AK/Moen? They dominated and controlled the play continuously in the offensive zone. Eller lacked finish, but he was getting a lot of chances. They were by far our most creative trio.

With AK gone now, we only have Eller that is capable of it, but even he isn't all that great to it. Very similar to Plekanec but a little bit better.

It's really bad..
RC is killing creativity and stifling offense. Andrei from his interviews was clearly bothered by RCs system and style of play.

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Yakupov is a pretty skilled player; I don't know what you're talking about OP.

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Hopefully our next coach shows faith in Eller and abandons this dump and chase nonsense. Having a team full of plugs is even worse than a team full of "smurfs".

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If he puts it together, Avtsin has the same skillset as Andrei. Next year is make or break for him though, if he doesn't go back to Russia.
Sadly I don't have much faith in Avtsin at this point. At this point Nattinen has shown more than Avtsin.

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His name is Gionta and will complement Plek and Bourque next season on the 2nd line.
Bourque is third liner. We need a need a second/first liner.

And I hope we will see Plekanec with at least one of Cole and Pacioretty next season. If we get a good coach, we probably will.

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We are going the burke way it seems: Build on truculence, miss 3 years of PO's.

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I was discussing that last time and how RC killed even more the little skill we had.
Cole-MaxPac-DD-Plek-Gomez-Gionta-Leblanc-Palushaj-Cammy-Darche-Bourque-Moen-Noke-White..
Not one of those guys can actually deke out an opponent. They will try to outskate by inside or out, crash the net, or take a shot, but never deke.
AK and Eller were the only two that could. But, AK turns the puck over trying to do that and he gets glued to the bench, then is told to follow the dump and chase peewee style system.

Remember earlier this year when Eller was getting some favorable match ups and was paired with AK/Moen? They dominated and controlled the play continuously in the offensive zone. Eller lacked finish, but he was getting a lot of chances. They were by far our most creative trio.

With AK gone now, we only have Eller that is capable of it, but even he isn't all that great to it. Very similar to Plekanec but a little bit better.

It's really bad..
I'm more worried about no one challenging defensemen. AK was the ONLY player on this team that would sometimes cut accross the middle and try to take a screen shot. So either defensemen had to step up and give up some ice to the other attacking players or keep backing up making it easier to make plays at the top of the zone. Not that he did it much late in this season since he'd get benched whenever he lost the puck.

We now have 0 threat off the rush. All we have now is stuff like Gionta's patented gain-the-blue-line-and-throw-a-shot-on-net or the chip it in and chase it. Never seen a team this deprived of offensive creativity.

Of course we're easy to shut down. Perimeter play and good ol' work down low.

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If he puts it together, Avtsin has the same skillset as Andrei. Next year is make or break for him though, if he doesn't go back to Russia.
Except he's terrible.

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We are going the burke way it seems: Build on truculence, miss 3 years of PO's.
Don't forget the trading of a lottery pick

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We are going the burke way it seems: Build on truculence, miss 3 years of PO's.
That's what I'm afraid of.

Some of the moves recently have reminded me of the Leafs a few years ago. Obsess over "truculence" and pick players entirely based on their height, ignoring their skill and skating ability.

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I'm more worried about no one challenging defensemen. AK was the ONLY player on this team that would sometimes cut accross the middle and try to take a screen shot. So either defensemen had to step up and give up some ice to the other attacking players or keep backing up making it easier to make plays at the top of the zone. Not that he did it much late in this season since he'd get benched whenever he lost the puck.

We now have 0 threat off the rush. All we have now is stuff like Gionta's patented gain-the-blue-line-and-throw-a-shot-on-net or the chip it in and chase it. Never seen a team this deprived of offensive creativity.

Of course we're easy to shut down. Perimeter play and good ol' work down low.
You could blame RC and his chip and chase system for that. I'd rather have Carbo as coach than have RC.

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