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02-27-2012, 08:45 PM
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Rebuilding while trying to make the playoffs!! Humm... can you spell '' Patchwork'' or ''band aid solutions''.... this organisation has become a joke with no vision

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02-27-2012, 08:54 PM
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I'm more worried about no one challenging defensemen. AK was the ONLY player on this team that would sometimes cut accross the middle and try to take a screen shot. So either defensemen had to step up and give up some ice to the other attacking players or keep backing up making it easier to make plays at the top of the zone. Not that he did it much late in this season since he'd get benched whenever he lost the puck.

We now have 0 threat off the rush. All we have now is stuff like Gionta's patented gain-the-blue-line-and-throw-a-shot-on-net or the chip it in and chase it. Never seen a team this deprived of offensive creativity.

Of course we're easy to shut down. Perimeter play and good ol' work down low.
I agree, it's really pathetic and troubling.

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We are going the burke way it seems: Build on truculence, miss 3 years of PO's.
actually we didnt trade our first rounder...lol

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02-27-2012, 08:55 PM
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His name is Gionta and will complement Plek and Bourque next season on the 2nd line.
They already have him. Assuming Leblanc is good to go next year they still have a hole that needs to be filled with a 2nd/3rd LW

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02-27-2012, 08:56 PM
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That's what I'm afraid of.

Some of the moves recently have reminded me of the Leafs a few years ago. Obsess over "truculence" and pick players entirely based on their height, ignoring their skill and skating ability.
Talent > truculance any day of the week.

People here that want us to trade Desharnais or Plekanec have a brutal understanding of hockey.

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02-27-2012, 08:57 PM
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I think this team needs to get top end talent.

I really want to package Plekanec+ for a young #1 center in the age group of pacioretty, subban, eller and price. I think it's important to build to the young core.

Add our top 3 pick and our hard working vets in gionta/cole and you have a pretty balanced line-up.

I'm not too concerned, but the current isn't good enough, a tweak has to be made and you can fill out the 3rd liners in free agency or whatever.

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02-27-2012, 08:58 PM
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Problem is we're getting bigger/grittier but there doesn't seem to be a plan. I've always been a proponent of building from the net out. If you're small/soft on D it really doesn't matter who you have as forwards, you will not be successful.

Burke had the right idea, he just picked the wrong guys.

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Kostitsyn scores a point in half of the games or fewer during the season. He won't be missed that badly.

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02-27-2012, 08:59 PM
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I think this team needs to get top end talent.

I really want to package Plekanec+ for a young #1 center in the age group of pacioretty, subban, eller and price. I think it's important to build to the young core.

Add our top 3 pick and our hard working vets in gionta/cole and you have a pretty balanced line-up.

I'm not too concerned, but the current isn't good enough, a tweak has to be made and you can fill out the 3rd liners in free agency or whatever.
A top 3 pick and throwing the bank at Parise could turn the lack of top end talent around pretty quickly.


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02-27-2012, 09:01 PM
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Talent > truculance any day of the week.

People here that want us to trade Desharnais or Plekanec have a brutal understanding of hockey.
Unless whatever GM takes over has a magic wand, there's not much talent available to significantly improve this team.

Should, say, Minnesota come dangling their first and Phillips for Plekanec, you wouldn't even consider that?

I mean, we'd go from 15th to worst than that? How?

Just because a player is your best center doesn't mean you can't make a sensible hockey deal with him.

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02-27-2012, 09:02 PM
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RC is killing creativity and stifling offense. Andrei from his interviews was clearly bothered by RCs system and style of play.
Andrei has been clearly bothered by the style of play and system of every coach he's ever played for. Aside from one great season where he got to experience the last time Kovalev gave a damn about hockey, he's had major consistency issues...

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02-27-2012, 09:04 PM
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Andrei has been clearly bothered by the style of play and system of every coach he's ever played for. Aside from one great season where he got to experience the last time Kovalev gave a damn about hockey, he's had major consistency issues...
Andrei was playing great these last two seasons under Martin. He improved his game 10 fold and was playing a style which suited Martin's system. He developed into a key role as a secondary scorer with Eller. Andrei's production with Martin these last two seasons and RC is night and day.

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The best Cammalleri has done is 26 goals in the regular season for 6 million a year in his time as a Montreal Canadien.
He was playing hurt and missed a ton of games. He was on pace for 33 goals and probably more if he'd been healthy. He was also a beast in the playoffs.

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We will suck for 5 years, so we will be rebuilding thrue the draft. Althought PG being our GM you can make it 10 years
If he is still GM for 10 more years he will run the team out of Quebec!

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02-27-2012, 09:07 PM
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I'm more worried about the lack of top end skill than anything.
/thread right there.

We need stars, not underacheivers.

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02-27-2012, 09:07 PM
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Right now we need more skill than "toughness" on the forward end. The draft will be a start but unless we are going for MacKinnon we need help for next season. There's like 4 forwards on this team with above average hands, and while our top 3 centres can pass, the only winger right now with any competence in passing the puck is Pacioretty.

I'm glad the team is going for more balance, but if the obsession with toughness makes us lose our identity completely and get rid of all skill, it's going to be ugly.
"... I'm glad the team is going for more balance, but if the obsession with toughness makes us lose our identity completely and get rid of all skill, it's going to be ugly."

Same here: balance is great (making room for Emelin, Cole, Eller, White... was a necessity) but one more year with Cunneyworth and I fear the days of Bilodeau and Stevenson will be upon us again!!

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I think this team needs to get top end talent.

I really want to package Plekanec+ for a young #1 center in the age group of pacioretty, subban, eller and price. I think it's important to build to the young core.

Add our top 3 pick and our hard working vets in gionta/cole and you have a pretty balanced line-up.

I'm not too concerned, but the current isn't good enough, a tweak has to be made and you can fill out the 3rd liners in free agency or whatever.
Team's with young number one centers, by and large, see them as franchise cornerstones and view them as just as untouchable as Subban is in Montreal. Who are these young number one centers that teams are willing to trade? I'm convinced they are largely mythical creatures.

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02-27-2012, 09:09 PM
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Talent > truculance any day of the week.

People here that want us to trade Desharnais or Plekanec have a brutal understanding of hockey.
I want to trade plekanec and I have better understanding than you

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02-27-2012, 09:12 PM
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Andrei has been clearly bothered by the style of play and system of every coach he's ever played for. Aside from one great season where he got to experience the last time Kovalev gave a damn about hockey, he's had major consistency issues...
He was actually pretty good in 08-09 once he got over his concussion and played with Lang. Then he got stuck with Plekanec again who was a blackhole of offense that year.

He really only had disappointing years under Martin and RC.

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02-27-2012, 09:13 PM
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I want to trade plekanec and I have better understanding than you
Yeah Plekanec need to be replaced by a big talented center. That center might come thrue the draft ( Grigorenko, Faksa or Galchenyuk).

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02-27-2012, 09:15 PM
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/thread right there.

We need stars, not underacheivers.
Now why didn't we think of that!?

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Now why didn't we think of that!?
Because you're thinking about goons

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A top 3 pick and throwing the bank at Parise could turn the lack of top end talent around pretty quickly.
I'd lose Parise, but he wants a contender.

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Team's with young number one centers, by and large, see them as franchise cornerstones and view them as just as untouchable as Subban is in Montreal. Who are these young number one centers that teams are willing to trade? I'm convinced they are largely mythical creatures.
Unfortunately, you're right, but they DO get traded, not often though.

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02-27-2012, 09:22 PM
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I'd lose Parise, but he wants a contender.



Unfortunately, you're right, but they DO get traded, not often though.
What do you mean you'd lose Parise? I don't understand the expression. Did you mean love?

If he hits july 1st, I'd defintely make him an offer he couldn't refuse.

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02-27-2012, 09:23 PM
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Because you're thinking about goons
You should tweet Molson that the habs need stars and not underachievers. All this time they have been going for underachievers, but now the formula makes sense!

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