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02-27-2012, 05:49 PM
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Yep...46 roster spots give or take. I could see about 1/4 in the AHL being AHL contracts...but then we have prospects and such.

BTW do we do lose Gustafsson in the off-season?
Prob depends on Endras.

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02-27-2012, 05:52 PM
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I'm only taking the information one of our best posters have provided, which is saying that Bulmer's contract doesn't count toward the 50 contract total. IS he wrong? Who knows?
Apparently you have no idea what a reserve list is, and therefore have absolutely no business trying to tell anyone else how any of this works.

We have, counting Bulmer. Counting Brodin. Counting Phillips. Counting every single solitary player we have under contract next season, 28 contracts.

That's it. End of story. There is nothing to debate, disagree on, discuss, or say further. We have 22 open roster spaces going into next season.

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02-27-2012, 06:01 PM
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That's it. End of story. There is nothing to debate, disagree on, discuss, or say further. We have 22 open roster spaces going into next season.
And you keep forgetting we have 10 open spots on our roster next year and another 13 in the AHL.

Not to mention a few other prospects that need to be signed; Lorenz, Zucker, Coyle, Gustaffson, Granlund off the top of my head.

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02-27-2012, 06:06 PM
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And you keep forgetting we have 10 open spots on our roster next year and another 13 in the AHL.

Not to mention a few other prospects that need to be signed; Lorenz, Zucker, Coyle, Gustaffson, Granlund off the top of my head.
We have 10 open NHL spots, and around 7 open AHL spots. Your inability to count is not my problem.

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02-27-2012, 06:18 PM
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We have 10 open NHL spots, and around 7 open AHL spots. Your inability to count is not my problem.
With 28 contracts:

In the NHL next year:

FORWARD:
Heatley
Koivu
Cullen
Setoguchi
Clutterbuck
Brodziak
Powe

DEFENSE:
Gilbert
Scandella
Spurgeron
Prosser

GOALIE:
Backstrom

12 Total in the NHL next year, meaning we're missing 11 regulars.

In the AHL next year:

Cuma
Kuemper
Bagnall
Fontaine
Medvec
Foucault
Broda
Jobke
Caron

9 in the AHL meaning missing 14 guys

Signed:
Phillips
Bulmer
Brodin
Larsson

Not Signed:
Coyle
Granlund
Zucker

Forgot Phillips...

So we need 14 in the AHL (9 active players), 11 in the NHL (12 active players). I don't know how Butch's contract works since he's out for a total of 25 players we need for next year.

We are bringing in 4 guys that have contracts (Brodin, Larsson, Phillips, Bulmer). So we now need 21 players in the NHL and AHL to play and all of those contracts need to come from somewhere.

We know Coyle, Zucker, and Granlund will need to be signed. So that's now 31 contracts signed with us needing 18 players in the AHL/NHL.

Not all of them are going to be NHL contracts. So I'll wiggle around 5-7 contracts depending on how comfortable Fletcher feels with the AHL.

We need a goaltender. So that's 17 players in the NHL/AHL with 32 contracts signed.

We need 11 players in the NHL. We have let's say a maximum of 4 rookies signed and in the NHL. Meaning we still need 7 players in the NHL. 39 contracts signed.

We want to bring in 5-6 guys in the AHL to help teach our young players and we have the 3 rookies. So that's 44-45 contracts signed.


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02-27-2012, 11:15 PM
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Now that the trade deadline is over, what are our biggest needs going into next season?

1/ A number 1 defenseman. Period. If we have to package our 1st with Clutter to trade for a defenseman that can play 20 minutes a night, we need to get that player here. We are in desperate need of a minute munching defenseman. We should be also looking at moving Scandella or Spurgeron in the off season as they are getting a bit redundant (Brodin replaces Scandella, Gilbert, Spurgeron).

2/ A top line center. Grabo might be available. Possibly swing a trade? But we need a top line center.

3/ New health trainers. Enough said.

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02-27-2012, 11:34 PM
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Now that the trade deadline is over, what are our biggest needs going into next season?

1/ A number 1 defenseman. Period. If we have to package our 1st with Clutter to trade for a defenseman that can play 20 minutes a night, we need to get that player here. We are in desperate need of a minute munching defenseman. We should be also looking at moving Scandella or Spurgeron in the off season as they are getting a bit redundant (Brodin replaces Scandella, Gilbert, Spurgeron).
Agree with the need, disagree with the plan of action (dependent on where we pick in the 1st round). I'd rather we grab 2 young defensemen with our 1st and 2nd rounders and build our D the same way we are building our forwards. Our trades today should not alter our timetable.

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02-27-2012, 11:38 PM
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Agree with the need, disagree with the plan of action (dependent on where we pick in the 1st round). I'd rather we grab 2 young defensemen with our 1st and 2nd rounders and build our D the same way we are building our forwards. Our trades today should not alter our timetable.
Uh, it should. We have no one that should be playing more than 15 minutes per game. Gilbert is a defensive liability, Scandella still needs to find some consistency, Spurgeron is a specialist, Falk looks good only for limited minutes.

Picking a guy in the 1st round next year means he might be 2-3 years away at best.

Our 1st and 2nd picks should be forwards or defensemen. Whatever is the most valuable player there. If Frk is there in the 2nd. Pick him and hope he develops.

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Agree with the need, disagree with the plan of action (dependent on where we pick in the 1st round). I'd rather we grab 2 young defensemen with our 1st and 2nd rounders and build our D the same way we are building our forwards. Our trades today should not alter our timetable.
Also sign Suter...
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A man can dream.

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Also sign Suter...
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A man can dream.
We have enough space, thinking 8 for 64 or 7 for 56.

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Uh, it should. We have no one that should be playing more than 15 minutes per game. Gilbert is a defensive liability, Scandella still needs to find some consistency, Spurgeron is a specialist, Falk looks good only for limited minutes.

Picking a guy in the 1st round next year means he might be 2-3 years away at best.

Our 1st and 2nd picks should be forwards or defensemen. Whatever is the most valuable player there. If Frk is there in the 2nd. Pick him and hope he develops.
Should probably bring this conversation to your new thread, but I have some thoughts on this.

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We have enough space, thinking 8 for 64 or 7 for 56.
I would love nothing more for that to happen, but I'm going into the offseason with no expectations that we'll make a big splash, I don't want to get my hopes up.

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02-28-2012, 12:01 AM
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In a world where dreams come true and we sign Suter, I would imagine our defense would look something like this:

Suter - Gilbert
Brodin - Spurgeon
Scandella - Prosser

Not sure who would be the extra. I suppose it would be Falk or maybe Stoner if we re-sign him. I've yet to be real impressed with Falk or Prosser (or Scandella for that matter) so I hope that they continue to develop or else our defense may never get a whole lot better.

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We have enough space, thinking 8 for 64 or 7 for 56.
It's exciting considering the amount of space we can work with. My only fear is that...

1. He'll re-sign with the Preds

2. He's gonna be a hot item with many teams after him. Only one team gets lucky, and usually we're on the losing side of those.

Same goes for Parise.

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02-28-2012, 01:28 AM
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It's exciting considering the amount of space we can work with. My only fear is that...

1. He'll re-sign with the Preds

2. He's gonna be a hot item with many teams after him. Only one team gets lucky, and usually we're on the losing side of those.

Same goes for Parise.
I think that Suter is more likely to hit FA than Parise, but that is pure speculation. Either way I'm realistic about our chances in getting either, not great.

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I think that Suter is more likely to hit FA than Parise, but that is pure speculation. Either way I'm realistic about our chances in getting either, not great.
Yep. But oh how sweet it would be to land that fish.

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Yep. But oh how sweet it would be to land that fish.
I get the shivvers thinking about it.

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I think that Suter is more likely to hit FA than Parise, but that is pure speculation. Either way I'm realistic about our chances in getting either, not great.
I think so, I think Suter is going to hit the market but I am uncertain if he's a money guy or a team guy.

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With 28 contracts:

In the NHL next year:

FORWARD:
Heatley
Koivu
Cullen
Setoguchi
Clutterbuck
Brodziak
Powe

DEFENSE:
Gilbert
Scandella
Spurgeron
Prosser

GOALIE:
Backstrom

12 Total in the NHL next year, meaning we're missing 11 regulars.

In the AHL next year:

Cuma
Kuemper
Bagnall
Fontaine
Medvec
Foucault
Broda
Jobke
Caron

9 in the AHL meaning missing 14 guys

Signed:
Phillips
Bulmer
Brodin
Larsson

Not Signed:
Coyle
Granlund
Zucker

Forgot Phillips...

So we need 14 in the AHL (9 active players), 11 in the NHL (12 active players). I don't know how Butch's contract works since he's out for a total of 25 players we need for next year.
No team should ever have 23 AHL players on their roster. Ever. At no point is that a good idea. Houston has and will continue to have at least 5 players of their own on the roster, and it's more likely to be at least 7.

You left off Bouchard from the NHL roster. If he's not good to go, we'll carry 22 NHL players instead of 23 (if we were ever intending to carry 23 players in the first place, we usually carry 21-22 and only have 1-2 scratches).

You don't list Hackett who is under contract and will be either in the NHL or AHL. Assume for the moment he's in Houston.

You left off Krupp, who may continue to rot in Europe, but could play in Houston as well.

So that means we have 13 AHL players (9 + Phillips/Larsson/Bulmer + Hackett) need 5-7 more and have 13 (14 if Brodin plays) NHL players needing 10 (9 if Brodin plays) more. As we're at 27 (28 if Brodin plays) contracts, that will be an additional 15-17 spots, which brings us to 45/50. That's 5 open contract spots. Last season, the largest number of open contract spots at the point listed out to was 46/50 in Chicago. That's to say that we're currently sitting at fewer contracts than the team that had the fewest last year.

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I think that Suter is more likely to hit FA than Parise, but that is pure speculation. Either way I'm realistic about our chances in getting either, not great.
There's no way that's going to happen. Parise is almost certain to hit free agency. New Jersey's financial troubles limit what the team can offer. They already have a long term, front loaded, monster contract in Kovalchuk. LL is pretty tightly handcuffed, and there's been no sign that Parise might take a hometown discount.

Suter, on the other hand, has every appearance of a guy who is likely to re-sign. He wants to win, above all else. He more or less demanded that Nashville make a splash. Between their aggression at the deadline, their little sparks of top tier offensive guys, and all the Radulov talk so far this season, it seems pretty probable that Suter will stick around. The word is that all three (Rinne/Suter/Weber) are being offered the same 49/7 deal. One would have to think if he hits FA, he'll get more than that. The 64/8 someone mentioned would probably be a decent starting point.

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I still think we should pair Scandella and Spurgeon. They have great chemistry and they fit together and if Scandella finds some muscle & toughness, he's gonna be one tough customer. I was impressed by both of them early this year, and even though Spurgeon's been a bit ahead later this season to the point where he is our most reliable D-man, I can see those two paired together for a long time.

Now, the question remains, who will we pair with Gilbert? Brodin is essentially Spurgeon with higher ceiling and more focus on defense, but I wouldn't place him on first pairing right off the bat. Actually, he should start in AHL at first, get used to the small rink and then come up with the big boys... That is if he doesn't show something staggering in the camp. He is a left-hand shot so he'd technically fit well with Gilbert but they both lack physical play, which is going to be a problem. Kampfer shoots right, so he's not an answer either and he'd be a better fit with a Scandella-type player. Or Brodin.

I still think we're going to see either a trade in the draft or a big FA signing for a #1 defensive defenseman. A big, mean, strong, tough customer type of guy. I'll name him "Chronger" for now.

For D next year, I think it's going to look something like:

"Chronger" - Gilbert
Scandella - Spurgeon
Brodin/Falk - Kampfer/Prosser
Fredheim

Now, you might look at that and think "fair enough - wait, Kris Fredheim?!" And to you I answer, yes, Kris Fredheim. Why? Because even with his limited NHL experience, he has been good in AHL this year, he has some experience already and he was solid in his NHL stint as well. I mean, who else?

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There's no way that's going to happen. Parise is almost certain to hit free agency. New Jersey's financial troubles limit what the team can offer. They already have a long term, front loaded, monster contract in Kovalchuk. LL is pretty tightly handcuffed, and there's been no sign that Parise might take a hometown discount.

Suter, on the other hand, has every appearance of a guy who is likely to re-sign. He wants to win, above all else. He more or less demanded that Nashville make a splash. Between their aggression at the deadline, their little sparks of top tier offensive guys, and all the Radulov talk so far this season, it seems pretty probable that Suter will stick around. The word is that all three (Rinne/Suter/Weber) are being offered the same 49/7 deal. One would have to think if he hits FA, he'll get more than that. The 64/8 someone mentioned would probably be a decent starting point.

yeah because he is taking hometown discount here

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The forward group should be very interesting because of the issues with Bouchard and Lats.

Setting aside Parise for a second, I wonder if Fletcher is going to go after a 2nd UFA forward? (not an alternate because I'm 100% sure he'll get at least 1 UFA forward).

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I doubt it.

Koivu, Granlund, Heatley, Setoguchi, Palmieri, Cullen, and potentially Larsson, Philips, Coyle, or Zucker.

Not to mention Bouchard is still here and Lats may be qualified.

And before we worry about "depth" for injuries, those new prospects are better forwards than anyone we've had in Houston since the lockout.

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