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02-27-2012, 10:27 PM
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This is so lame. Listening to the radio..

Its hard to talk about this whacky deal.

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You want Cody to lose 60% off his face off draws on the Kesler's line?? I don't get how Kesler has to move aside from his natural position to accomodate a rookie.
Kesler played pretty damn well on Sundin's wing. And could Kesler not take the draws for Hodgson?

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Combined? In those 20 games:

Henrik had 10 PTS
Daniel had 13 PTS
Burrows had 11 PTS

Kesler had 16 PTS
Higgins had 5 PTS
Raymond had 5 PTS

They were still scoring
The Canucks were the 3rd worst scoring team in the playoffs after being the best offensive team in the reg season. Why? because the Sedins get shutdown with ease. Without Hodgson on the 3rd line, all of the pressure is on the 2nd line.

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Kesler played pretty damn well on Sundin's wing. And could Kesler not take the draws for Hodgson?
So now Hodgson is Matt Sundin?

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You think those numbers for Henrik, Daniel, Burrows, Higgins and Raymond are acceptable from our top 6 forwards? And in Henrik and Daniel's case being our most expensive forwards? Look at the top liners +/- too.
And this has what to do with Hodgson?

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02-27-2012, 10:29 PM
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The Canucks were the 3rd worst scoring team in the playoffs after being the best offensive team in the reg season. Why? because the Sedins get shutdown with ease. Without Hodgson on the 3rd line, all of the pressure is on the 2nd line.
I believe the injuries were bad enough and the canucks were a good enough team that it made this differential up.

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So now Hodgson is Matt Sundin?
No, he's Yzerman/Sakic/Drury/Couture. God, get it right.

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Kesler played pretty damn well on Sundin's wing. And could Kesler not take the draws for Hodgson?
Because it was Mats Sundin.

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The Canucks were the 3rd worst scoring team in the playoffs after being the best offensive team in the reg season. Why? because the Sedins get shutdown with ease. Without Hodgson on the 3rd line, all of the pressure is on the 2nd line.
Our top two lines should get better matchups just by virtue of our 3rd line being that much better defensively. I think you will see it make a difference, especially at home.

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So now Hodgson is Matt Sundin?
Where did I say that? I said Hodgson should have been given a shot on the 2nd line because he was playing well in a very limited role, and that Kesler has proven he can be effective on the wing.

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02-27-2012, 10:31 PM
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I was very shocked and saddened along with most of you when I saw he got traded. Especially for a unproven player who happens to not be an upgrade overall. Hodgson was developing as a bonafide top 6 forward esp offensively, and made the second pp unit look much better than last season, where he showed tremendous amount of skill, patience and vision, something we have seen from the sedins. He was becoming a fan favourite where people started to get his jerseys.

Then he gets unexpectedly dealt. The timing of the trade as others said is bizarre. I wouldn't mind it if it happened in the offseason and not in the middle of a stanley cup run. Huge change in the offensive personnell, indeed. However, he was pretty much a defensive liability, had issues on strength and was overexhausted at times.

However, there's nothing we can't do about it. Have to trush gillis's judgment, and reason to make this deal. This trade could either be great or just a another neely/stojanov situation. We'll just to have to see. Not happy as of now.

Kassian's skillset is quite intriguing, to say the least.

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02-27-2012, 10:32 PM
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Just in case you guys missed it, I found this link, which clarifies something I myself was unsure of:

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...1054&id=160804

This is the official trade call with the league. It's a BZK for Coho trade straight up, no mention of either dman. That trade was clearly a separate entity, either occurring right after that call, or as an addendum to the deal. But as reported to the league, it was the two forwards straight up, pending passing of physicals.

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Where did I say that? I said Hodgson should have been given a shot on the 2nd line because he was playing well in a very limited role, and that Kesler has proven he can be effective on the wing.
3 years ago.

Kesler had his best seasons as a centre.

Most decent hockey players are effective on Sundin's wing.

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Where did I say that? I said Hodgson should have been given a shot on the 2nd line because he was playing well in a very limited role, and that Kesler has proven he can be effective on the wing.
He didn't play well in a limited role on the second line.

Kesler is one of the best defensive centermen in the league who is the reigning Selke winner. Hodgson's impressive rookie campaign doesn't displace that. Hodgson is not a better center than Kesler.

Kesler had to pay his dues and earn his 2C position. Just like every other player. A huge reason for Kesler's points decline is having to focus more on his defensive game to compensate for Hodgson's lack of it.

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02-27-2012, 10:33 PM
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And this has what to do with Hodgson?
Shows we should have kept him because we need an offensive third line. Now we don't have that.

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02-27-2012, 10:33 PM
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Just ignore Pauser.
Although you have to give it to him for his consistency, it's like arguing with a wall.


I just want to see this team in action. I think that's the best therapy for what we're feeling... unless Kassian costs us our gigantic division lead...

then... all hell will break loose

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It's probably more that Kesler doesn't make his wingers better over hodgson can't play on the wing. The whole season Vancouver has been looking for wingers to play with kesler and none of them really seem to work (maybe booth to some extent but the goals booth scores isnt a result of what Kesler did). A lot of his points are from the powerplay where he gets to play with the sedins and during even strength he hasn't been very effective at using his linemates, even the coach said so? i think.

he's also got a few empty netters to pad the stats
What you just said is completely rubbish and shouldn't be taking seriously.

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02-27-2012, 10:34 PM
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Shows we should have kept him because we need an offensive third line. Now we don't have that.
One that would've gotten eaten alive by opposing teams top line.

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02-27-2012, 10:34 PM
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How confident is MG that the canucks do it again and go all the way? what happen if we dont win the cup......we lose the center that we will need moving on......?? I hope MG has a backup plan........so basically this is do or die for the Canucks...we MUST win the cup

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One that would've gotten eaten alive by opposing teams top line.
Here's a solution, and I know this is going to be a shocker: DON'T PLAY THE HODGSON LINE AGAINST THE OTHER TEAMS TOP LINE.

whoa how about that?

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02-27-2012, 10:35 PM
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Here's a solution, and I know this is going to be a shocker: DON'T PLAY THE HODGSON LINE AGAINST THE OTHER TEAMS TOP LINE.

whoa how about that?
You know that Canucks play away games and during that time the other team can and will dictate the match-up

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Here's a solution, and I know this is going to be a shocker: DON'T PLAY THE HODGSON LINE AGAINST THE OTHER TEAMS TOP LINE.

whoa how about that?
AV doesn't do line matching

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pretty sure this is also about giving rich winter (cody's agent) A BIG F U. Part of the reason why Cody cried is he knew Rich was pushing to have the canucks move him to somewhere he can get big ice time. Now Cody has to prove he's worth big Ice time. Hard to do
? He'll likely get 3rd line center minutes after Roy and Ennis with eventual 2nd line duties if he performs well, then when Hecht comes back they'll be a bit of log jam again for centers.

Seems like Coho and his agent are as just as surprised as the rest of us.

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And this has what to do with Hodgson?
Pauser is incapable of having a coherent discussion. He will go into frenzy mode where he simply hammer replies the same comments over and over like a broken record, then he eventually drifts from the original topic onto other subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand - usually he derails every convo into something about the Sedins not scoring enough or how great Luongo is.

I have him on ignore now but he gets quoted so often by baffled posters wondering what the hell he is talking about you can't get away from seeing his posts.

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It's so obvious Hodgson 'secretly' wanted out of here, don't know why people are still whining about the trade. You can tell he was hiding his excitement/happiness of leaving and getting a shot at being in the limelight and more time to play just by watching his interview on TV. This kid and his character is nothing but a fake shell, he doesn't care about winning or being on a Cup contender otherwise he wouldn't have disrespected the organization, making demands, and making the ice time an issue. It's all about him and wanting more from the team, his parents, agent, himself thinking he deserves more than what he's earned so far. He's never going to fit in this team because of his demands, there's no team concept with him that's why MG did the right thing and went against what he thought was a good pick in a character guy, and traded this potential cancer out while his value is still high.

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