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02-28-2012, 01:00 AM
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Did anyone else see Randy Millers tweet about what Homer said? It was referring to if a certain defense man were to become available(Suter), Homer, without naming names, would be able to make trades to make room for a star dman in the summer.

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https://twitter.com/#!/RandyJMiller/...83562319757312

I believe if Suter hits the open market, he will be a Flyer, and Mez will be the one leaving.
Why trade Mesz, when Carle is worse, will be more expensive, and isn't already under contract?

Come on now...

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Why trade Mesz, when Carle is worse, will be more expensive, and isn't already under contract?

Come on now...
Because if we sign Suter, Carle will walk. We will probably need to clear more salary. It's either we clear the salary from our back end or we clear it from the forwards position. Pick your poison.

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Because if we sign Suter, Carle will walk. We will probably need to clear more salary. It's either we clear the salary from our back end or we clear it from the forwards position. Pick your poison.
losing 2 defensemen in order to sign 1 is counter productive.

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losing 2 defensemen in order to sign 1 is counter productive.
Then we trade a forward. All I was saying was that clearly Homer and management has Suter on their radar and will make the moves necessary to fit him under the cap.

We could sign Suter and keep all the defense and trade a forward
We could sign Suter and trade another d man (probably get a cheaper more stay at home guy) and keep the forwards

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Because if we sign Suter, Carle will walk. We will probably need to clear more salary. It's either we clear the salary from our back end or we clear it from the forwards position. Pick your poison.
Lies.

Hartnell (4.20) - Giroux (3.75) - Read (0.90)
vanRiemsdyk (4.25) - Schenn (0.90) - Voracek (4.00)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Briere (6.50)
Rinaldo (0.54) - Talbot (1.75) - Shelley (1.10)
Sestito (0.60)

Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (4.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - Suter (7.00)
Grossman (2.00) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Lilja (0.74) - Bourdon (0.90)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

TOTAL: 63.21m
SALARY CAP: 64.30m
SPACE: 00.19m

That's with Shelley in the lineup, Suter getting 7.00m/year, re-signing Grossman, rolling 8 defensemen, and Voracek getting 4-freaking-mil a season.

In what world would Suter cost us both Meszaros and Carle?

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Then we trade a forward. All I was saying was that clearly Homer and management has Suter on their radar and will make the moves necessary to fit him under the cap.

We could sign Suter and keep all the defense and trade a forward
We could sign Suter and trade another d man (probably get a cheaper more stay at home guy) and keep the forwards
We don't need to trade anyone.

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Lies.

Hartnell (4.20) - Giroux (3.75) - Read (0.90)
vanRiemsdyk (4.25) - Schenn (0.90) - Voracek (4.00)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Briere (6.50)
Rinaldo (0.54) - Talbot (1.75) - Shelley (1.10)
Sestito (0.60)

Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (4.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - Suter (7.00)
Grossman (2.00) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Lilja (0.74) - Bourdon (0.90)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

TOTAL: 63.21m
SALARY CAP: 64.30m
SPACE: 00.19m

That's with Shelley in the lineup, Suter getting 7.00m/year, re-signing Grossman, rolling 8 defensemen, and Voracek getting 4-freaking-mil a season.

In what world would Suter cost us both Meszaros and Carle?



We don't need to trade anyone.
Grossman is under paid in your line up here. I don't get why people are arguing this? Homer said it himself not me, so I believe we will probably need to shuffle some salary around. They are not lies. The Flyers want to resign Jagr too, they have meet with his agent to discuss this. I believe if he plays well down the end of this season, he will be here next year. Probably at the same price. So your line-up needs Jagr.

I just put out what Homer said. We probably will need to move some players if we get Suter. As much as I don't want to admit it, it might have to be done

Im only posting about what I saw on twitter. If the GM feels like we will need to move salary in order to fit Suter, then I believe it. Again the quote

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If you re-sign Grossman and Voracek and Bourdon, where would Suter go? I mean, even signing Voracek doesn't mean we have even a full forward line up that's signed. Or even the space to breathe if there are injuries. This is based on if Suter gets at least 6M. I'd rather go for Brad Stuart for under 4M. He can hit, put up points here and there and is stable back in the defensive zone. I believe if we truly want a #1 or #2 stud, we should draft one.

I'll show you want I mean via CapGeek:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ben Holmstrom ($0.850m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m)
Nicklas Grossman ($2.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,209,444; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $5,090,556

With that 5M in a 21 man roster, missing anther D-man, where can Suter truly fit? I know Schenn has that weird bonus if he doesn't play the first game of the season, it knocks off half of his salary basically. Is Stuart and 2 to 3 million less that hard?

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I'd rather go for Brad Stuart for under 4M. He can hit, put up points here and there and is stable back in the defensive zone. I believe if we truly want a #1 or #2 stud, we should draft one.
I'd rather have Stuart and Grossman at 6.50m+ than Suter at 6.50m+.

That said, I don't know how keen Detroit is on letting Stuart walk.

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Grossman is under paid in your line up here. I don't get why people are arguing this? Homer said it himself not me, so I believe we will probably need to shuffle some salary around. They are not lies. The Flyers want to resign Jagr too, they have meet with his agent to discuss this. I believe if he plays well down the end of this season, he will be here next year. Probably at the same price. So your line-up needs Jagr.

I just put out what Homer said. We probably will need to move some players if we get Suter. As much as I don't want to admit it, it might have to be done

Im only posting about what I saw on twitter. If the GM feels like we will need to move salary in order to fit Suter, then I believe it. Again the quote
I think re-signing Jagr at this point is a waste of 3.00m.

1. Briere can't stay at center forever.

2. If Jagr is re-signed we have 10 (possibly 11) top 9 forwards in our lineup.

3. Wellwood is certainly NHL-ready, and while he can't play a checking line role, he certainly puts our potential top 9 forwards at 12 with Jagr:

Hartnell - Giroux - Read
vanRiemsdyk - Schenn - Voracek
Simmonds - Briere - Jagr
Talbot - Couturier - Wellwood


Long story short. I loved Jagr. It's time to move on.

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I'd rather have Stuart and Grossman at 6.50m+ than Suter at 6.50m+.

That said, I don't know how keen Detroit is on letting Stuart walk.
This is crazy! Either you under value Suter horribly or over value Brad Stuart. Stuart is supposedly wanting to go back to the west coast.

Suter at 6.5>>>>> Grossman+Brad Stuart at 6.5

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This is crazy! Either you under value Suter horribly or over value Brad Stuart. Stuart is supposedly wanting to go back to the west coast.

Suter at 6.5>>>>> Grossman+Brad Stuart at 6.5
Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Stuart
Grossman - Bourdon/Gustafsson
Lilja

is better than...

Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Suter
Bourdon - Gustafsson
Lilja

Stuart is a really underrated defenseman.

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I'd rather have Stuart and Grossman at 6.50m+ than Suter at 6.50m+.

That said, I don't know how keen Detroit is on letting Stuart walk.
Basically something like this:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ben Holmstrom ($0.850m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.500m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,959,444; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,340,556

And with Schenn's cap possibly off after the first game, the cap could easily be closer to 3M left.

Also, flyersfan9180, we are talking about Brad Stuart, who has almost primarily been in the West Coast. Outside of 1.5 seasons with Boston, he's been out West. This is Brad Stuart though, not Mark Stuart. Also, even though Brad Stuart hits a lot, he only has 21 PIM. Not too shabby.

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Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Stuart
Grossman - Bourdon
Gustafsson

is better than...

Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Suter
Bourdon - Gustafsson
Lilja
And this is why I have said they will clear salary to have something like this

Suter-Mez
Kimmo-Coburn
Grossman-Bourdon/Gus

That defense is extremely solid but would cost us one of our top nine forwards maybe. If it happens that Jagr doesn't come back, then it maybe could be done. I don't know. I am just going off of what Homer said. They obviously think if they land Suter, they will need to move some salary.

I know we are talking about Brad Stuart too. Detroit player who used to play with the Kings and Sharks. His home is out west and there are all kind of reports he wants to go back there to finish playing closer to home.

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Basically something like this:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($0.900m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($0.930) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ben Holmstrom ($0.850m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.500m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,454,444; BONUSES: (CUSHIONED)
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,845,556

And with Schenn's cap possibly off after the first game, the cap could easily be closer to 3M left. Schenn, Couturier, and Bobrovsky all lose their cap hit next season in theory. You don't need to apply it.
I edited your numbers in bold.

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And this is why I have said they will clear salary to have something like this

Suter-Mez
Kimmo-Coburn
Grossman-Bourdon/Gus

That defense is extremely solid but would cost us one of our top nine forwards maybe. If it happens that Jagr doesn't come back, then it maybe could be done. I don't know. I am just going off of what Homer said. They obviously think if they land Suter, they will need to move some salary.

I know we are talking about Brad Stuart too. Detroit player who used to play with the Kings and Sharks. His home is out west and there are all kind of reports he wants to go back there to finish playing closer to home.
If you mean Jagr is the top 9 forward not coming back to allow us to land Suter without expunging more money on defense or trading away our young top 9 forwards...

Then yes, we are giving up a top 9 forward.

I've long come to the conclusion that Jagr should not be here next season. It's nothing personal, but we have plenty of cheaper and younger offensive options while having a hole to fill defensively.

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I thought the possible new CBA did add bonuses?

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I thought the possible new CBA did add bonuses?
Huh?

News to me.

I heard that they were looking into very little changes outside the percentage of the revenue players are allotted (which is what directly impacts the salary cap) and the amnesty buyout thing.

I didn't hear that there would be any other significant changes. In fact, I was under the impression that both parties seemed to generally like the way the current CBA has handled the league since coming into effect.


Even if there were some points of serious contention, I doubt bonuses on ELCs counting against the cap is something that either party wants, particularly if the revenue percentage is going to decrease.

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Then how the hell does the bonus work? What causes the bonus cushion? Why isn't it against the cap anymore? Sorry, just confused...

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Then how the hell does the bonus work? What causes the bonus cushion? Why isn't it against the cap anymore? Sorry, just confused...
If I'm not mistaken, bonuses count against the following years cap and JVR's hit is bigger this year because of the same rule.

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Then how the hell does the bonus work? What causes the bonus cushion? Why isn't it against the cap anymore? Sorry, just confused...
Alright...

The ELCs (rookie max and rookie minimum) contracts were established to protect organizations from overpaying rookie players that don't pan out. You know that whole nonsensical problem the NFL has with overpaying first overall draft picks ungodly sums of money for them to turn into busts? Well the ELC system protects organizations.

Meanwhile, the players that don't bust believed it was unfair for their paychecks to be strangled by the mere potential that they don't earn their large rookie contracts.

Thus the bonus cushion system was born.

In essence players get a number of bonuses attached to their performance. Let's say a rookie of Couturier's draft year signs a max ELC, which is 0.93m/year for 3 years for the year he signed.

Now on top of that he signs a number of bonuses that come with his ELC that can range from winning ROY, winning the Conn Smythe, scoring a certain number of goals, leading the team in points, etc.

Those bonuses get tacked onto the contract as potential sums of money that the player on the ELC can earn. I believe when Schenn signed his contract he got the max ELC (0.90m that year) and significant bonuses which brought his theoretical cap hit to 3.11m.

In order for his 3.11m to count against the salary cap for that season though, he has to meet all of his bonuses. If he doesn't meet them all, the team is not in danger of paying the full 3.11m against the cap.

One of his bonuses this season involved playing all 82 games. Since he was kept off of the roster for the first game, he could not meet that bonus, and his potential cap hit was made smaller. That kept the Flyers from going over the cap.

The only reason why the Flyers could potentially go over the cap is because this summer the CBA expires.

Alright, so you understand that bonuses exist. The Bonus Cushion however makes life easier for GMs. It allows you to pay players their base ELC (which is 0.90m for Schenn, Bob, Read, and some others, and 0.93m for Couturier based on when the contract was signed) and have only their base ELC count against the cap that season. Basically, why have player's bonuses count against the cap when potentially they're not going to be obtained. That's unfair.

So the system is in place where teams can roll over those cap-effecting bonuses to the next season. In fact, I believe JVR and Bob both reached some bonuses last season which then was applied to our salary cap ceiling this year. Basically we couldn't spend to the full 64.30m salary cap because JVR and Bob met some bonuses last season and the cap hit of those bonuses rolled over.

The reason that we're paying all of JVR's bonuses, all of Couturier's bonuses, all of Bob's bonuses, and most of Schenn's bonuses this season is because the CBA runs out.

Basically, if they don't protect the cap space by preparing themselves for those rookies to meet the full bonus, then they'd be over the cap this season because there is no "next season" to roll the bonuses over to. That's because the CBA expires. Even if they rehash the CBA, there's the potential that it won't apply. Because of that, no team is allowed to bypass their bonuses this season and put them off until next year.

Next year however, should the ELCs and bonuses cushions remain the same way, we'll go back to paying just the base ELC salary while pushing back and cap hits accumulated through bonuses until the next year. We also won't have to worry about a diminished cap from any of our ELC guys reaching their bonuses this season because we already have the cushion in our salary cap numbers for the season to cover any bonuses they might reach.

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So even if the CBA is rehashed and comes back, the bonuses still don't apply to the caps? Why do things have to be this ****ing complicated sometimes...

So no matter what, when the CBA expires, the bonuses won't affect the cap for next season?

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So even if the CBA is rehashed and comes back, the bonuses still don't apply to the caps? Why do things have to be this ****ing complicated sometimes...

So no matter what, when the CBA expires, the bonuses won't affect the cap for next season?
This year's bonuses? No.

If they do re-write the CBA so that ELC bonuses count against the cap, then yes. Bonuses then will count.

I find that extremely unlikely though since it benefits both parties for bonuses to exist.

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Alright...

The ELCs (rookie max and rookie minimum) contracts were established to protect organizations from overpaying rookie players that don't pan out. You know that whole nonsensical problem the NFL has with overpaying first overall draft picks ungodly sums of money for them to turn into busts? Well the ELC system protects organizations.

Meanwhile, the players that don't bust believed it was unfair for their paychecks to be strangled by the mere potential that they don't earn their large rookie contracts.

Thus the bonus cushion system was born.

In essence players get a number of bonuses attached to their performance. Let's say a rookie of Couturier's draft year signs a max ELC, which is 0.93m/year for 3 years for the year he signed.

Now on top of that he signs a number of bonuses that come with his ELC that can range from winning ROY, winning the Conn Smythe, scoring a certain number of goals, leading the team in points, etc.

Those bonuses get tacked onto the contract as potential sums of money that the player on the ELC can earn. I believe when Schenn signed his contract he got the max ELC (0.90m that year) and significant bonuses which brought his theoretical cap hit to 3.11m.

In order for his 3.11m to count against the salary cap for that season though, he has to meet all of his bonuses. If he doesn't meet them all, the team is not in danger of paying the full 3.11m against the cap.

One of his bonuses this season involved playing all 82 games. Since he was kept off of the roster for the first game, he could not meet that bonus, and his potential cap hit was made smaller. That kept the Flyers from going over the cap.

The only reason why the Flyers could potentially go over the cap is because this summer the CBA expires.

Alright, so you understand that bonuses exist. The Bonus Cushion however makes life easier for GMs. It allows you to pay players their base ELC (which is 0.90m for Schenn, Bob, Read, and some others, and 0.93m for Couturier based on when the contract was signed) and have only their base ELC count against the cap that season. Basically, why have player's bonuses count against the cap when potentially they're not going to be obtained. That's unfair.

So the system is in place where teams can roll over those cap-effecting bonuses to the next season. In fact, I believe JVR and Bob both reached some bonuses last season which then was applied to our salary cap ceiling this year. Basically we couldn't spend to the full 64.30m salary cap because JVR and Bob met some bonuses last season and the cap hit of those bonuses rolled over.

The reason that we're paying all of JVR's bonuses, all of Couturier's bonuses, all of Bob's bonuses, and most of Schenn's bonuses this season is because the CBA runs out.

Basically, if they don't protect the cap space by preparing themselves for those rookies to meet the full bonus, then they'd be over the cap this season because there is no "next season" to roll the bonuses over to. That's because the CBA expires. Even if they rehash the CBA, there's the potential that it won't apply. Because of that, no team is allowed to bypass their bonuses this season and put them off until next year.

Next year however, should the ELCs and bonuses cushions remain the same way, we'll go back to paying just the base ELC salary while pushing back and cap hits accumulated through bonuses until the next year. We also won't have to worry about a diminished cap from any of our ELC guys reaching their bonuses this season because we already have the cushion in our salary cap numbers for the season to cover any bonuses they might reach.
Nice post Chris. I knew most of this, but some of it clears up some points for me. Similarly, people complain regularly about the 35+ rule, but to me - it is a good rule that is serving its purpose. It combined with LTIR has not caused us issues.

The CBA is well thought out and works. Personally, I hope they just re-up for another 5 years. They got parity, they got a cap, the league is racking in the dough, the players are getting a better cut than they should, win, win, win.

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Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Stuart
Grossman - Bourdon/Gustafsson
Lilja

is better than...

Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Suter
Bourdon - Gustafsson
Lilja

Stuart is a really underrated defenseman.
Homer is going to resign Carle if he doesn't think he can get Suter.

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=619438

From the transcript of his media conference call:

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Q: On JVR and Matt Carle not getting traded

Well, again, James is signed here for a long time. I can’t do anything when other teams call about him. I’ve talked to James a number of times over the season, and I think he feels comfortable… since he’s been back in the lineup I think he’s been a good player for us. It’s his third year now in the league, he’s been involved in some playoff games over the last couple years and was a particularly good player for us last year in the playoffs, so I would expect him to continue to get better. Matt’s a good player on our team. He knows we have an interest in keeping him, so we’ll see how that goes.

Q: On re-signing Matt Carle

I don’t know how to answer that other than to say we’ve talked at length. There’s mutual interest on both sides. I think Matt wants to stay here and be part of the Flyers for the foreseeable future. My belief is that there’s something out there that we can agree on that we can take care of that. Whether it happens in the near future or somewhere down the road here, we’ll see.

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The Cap is expected at 68.3 million next year. Let Jagr and Carle walk, assuming Pronger is done for good, you sign Suter. If Pronger comes back next year, we will have to trade Meszaros in season and will still fit in the cap. Imagine Suter-Pronger, Timonen-Coburn, Kubina-Grossman.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($7.400m) / Pavel Kubina ($2.800m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.225m)

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Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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The CBA is well thought out and works. Personally, I hope they just re-up for another 5 years. They got parity, they got a cap, the league is racking in the dough, the players are getting a better cut than they should, win, win, win.
The situation might not be a rosy as it appears. The league overall in increasing in revenue, but I've heard a number of shows on FAN590 in which McCown gets experts on to go through the lists of the 10+ teams that are losing big bucks, many of whom are for sale, in whole or in part, with no buyers on the horizon.

The owners are losing about $1M each on Phoenix, as the league is covering its debts.

Several franchises in shaky markets are suffering, and other solid markets won't be raking in any playoff revenue this year: Montreal, Edmonton, maybe Toronto, maybe Calgary.

Other markets like Long Island, Dallas, Tampa, Carolina, Columbus that have had good attendance in the past are suffering because the teams aren't any good.

They need to get Phoenix moved to Quebec City fast, then go from there to fix the rest of the problems.

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