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02-27-2012, 12:40 PM
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They were 14th in playoff offense after the finals, when they played a seven game series against the league's 2nd best defensive team. That was after they already played a seven game series against the 3rd best defensive team in the league.

The Canucks finished the regular season as the best offensive team in the league.
Canucks were no slouch defensively and the bruins ended one of the highest ranked Os.

I'm not bothering to look up the specific numbers, because this is a digression anyway. Point isn't how teams have recently won it all, the point is when people say things like "offensive woes", or "offensively inept", they're talking about a fictional Rangers team. This Rangers team has been solid offensively this year.

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02-27-2012, 12:59 PM
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Canucks were no slouch defensively and the bruins ended one of the highest ranked Os.

I'm not bothering to look up the specific numbers, because this is a digression anyway. Point isn't how teams have recently won it all, the point is when people say things like "offensive woes", or "offensively inept", they're talking about a fictional Rangers team. This Rangers team has been solid offensively this year.
I think the point being is that "solid offensively" doesn't cut it in the playoffs.

The Rangers have been fine offensively but they are too sporadic IMO scoring wise. Some games you'll have tons of offense and tons of goals, other games it appears like they can't get anything going.

In the playoffs, you won't succeed without a consistent offense. You can't just rely on winning every game 1-0 even with the best goaltender in the NHL. Need to be able to stay in games if Lundqvist has an off night or the other team has it going offensively.

Don't think Nash is the answer because of cap concerns for you guys but someone like him (i.e. non-grinder scorer, another Gaborik..) is becoming an increasing necessity as teams tighten up defensively heading into the playoffs.

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02-27-2012, 01:01 PM
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So our standards are "above average" now? The Rangers were above average last year and couldn't score in the playoffs. Yay, let's be above average!

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02-27-2012, 01:54 PM
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How many of those goals were in blowout wins? Also, it's not just scoring we need. We could go 50 minutes of a game looking slow and have no goals and we just score a few in the last few minutes to get the lead. We are never up a goal early to dictate play.

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02-27-2012, 02:00 PM
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Muhahaha, we have the worst bottom 6 in the league
If they changed from a hockey to a soccer net, our bottom six still couldn't score!

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02-27-2012, 02:42 PM
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It would certainly help if the PP wasn't so disgustingly bad.

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02-27-2012, 02:49 PM
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I thought we needed a thread about this so we can all stop talking about addressing the needs of last year's Rangers and instead talk rationally about this year's Rangers.

This year's Rangers score 2.73 goals per game. That is good for 12th BEST in the league.


The lowest scoring team is the Kings, they score 2.08 goals per game. We score .65 more goals per game then them. The top scoring team is Philly, they score 3.30 goals per game. We score .57 less goals per game.

Any way you slice it, we're closer to the best than the worst in goal scoring.

Discuss (express your confusion ).
Being above-average doesn't win multiple playoff rounds.

It might help if Richards played with someone who played a give and go, quick pass, quick strike game, other than a rookie who's played 40 games in the NHL. Hagelin is doing a great job in the role thats being asked of him. How about putting Stepan Richards Gaborik back together and let the pack line, which was our best line last year play the second line? It looked great at first, and Tortorella broke it up and has never gone back to it for some reason. Balanced scoring is great, but having a line that's a threat to score every shift is often a good weapon to have. But why do that when we can just continue to "find ice time for Boyle" and play below the hash marks?

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02-27-2012, 03:45 PM
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With the exception of the team's first 9 games, this team has never lost 4 out of 7.

This isn't Moneyball. You don't buy x number of goals.

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02-27-2012, 04:45 PM
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Canucks were no slouch defensively and the bruins ended one of the highest ranked Os.

I'm not bothering to look up the specific numbers, because this is a digression anyway. Point isn't how teams have recently won it all, the point is when people say things like "offensive woes", or "offensively inept", they're talking about a fictional Rangers team. This Rangers team has been solid offensively this year.
The best teams will largely neutralize your best players; depth scoring tends to be what wins playoff series along with the PP. We have neither. This is not our year. I hope that Kreider, Miller, St. Croix, and Thomas meet the high end of their potential. If they do we will win without dealing for a scorer. If they don't we will need more scoring on the wing than we currently have.

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02-27-2012, 06:30 PM
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Given that the mark of a good offensive team is averaging over 3 goals per game, I thought it might be instructive to look at the regularity of how often each team hits that 3 goal mark. Here that is:

RankTeamGPGF>=3Pct
1VAN634063.5
2NYR603761.7
3PHI613760.7
4DET633860.3
5NSH623759.7
6PIT623658.1
7OTT643757.8
8NJD613455.7
--SJS613455.7
10WAS623454.8
11BOS603151.7
12CHI643351.6
13PHX623251.6
14TML623251.6
15DAL633149.2
16TBL623048.3
17MTL633047.6
18EDM612947.5
19CAR622946.8
20WIN642945.3
21COL632844.4
22STL622743.5
23ANA622641.9
24NYI622540.3
25FLA612439.3
26BUF622337.1
27CGY622235.5
28MIN622032.3
29CBJ621930.6
30LAK621829.0

To me, that is more impressive and more telling about the team's offense than the fact that the Rangers have almost never blown out their opponents this season. The offense isn't amazing, but it finds away to get the job done.

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02-27-2012, 10:41 PM
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Given that the mark of a good offensive team is averaging over 3 goals per game, I thought it might be instructive to look at the regularity of how often each team hits that 3 goal mark. Here that is:

RankTeamGPGF>=3Pct
1VAN634063.5
2NYR603761.7
3PHI613760.7
4DET633860.3
5NSH623759.7
6PIT623658.1
7OTT643757.8
8NJD613455.7
--SJS613455.7
10WAS623454.8
11BOS603151.7
12CHI643351.6
13PHX623251.6
14TML623251.6
15DAL633149.2
16TBL623048.3
17MTL633047.6
18EDM612947.5
19CAR622946.8
20WIN642945.3
21COL632844.4
22STL622743.5
23ANA622641.9
24NYI622540.3
25FLA612439.3
26BUF622337.1
27CGY622235.5
28MIN622032.3
29CBJ621930.6
30LAK621829.0

To me, that is more impressive and more telling about the team's offense than the fact that the Rangers have almost never blown out their opponents this season. The offense isn't amazing, but it finds away to get the job done.
This is not surprising at all. The Rangers have an uncanny amount of games in which they've scored 3 goals.

And I agree, they do seem to score when it counts; and the rare time this year they've been trailing, they do kick it into a higher gear on offense and create more chances.

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02-27-2012, 10:49 PM
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What's the purpose of this thread? To illuminate that the team probably isn't good enough win a chamionship?

Every single cup winner since the lockout has had a top 10 offense. All but one have had top 5 offenses.

The Rangers are a SLIGHTLY above average offensive team. They'd be more comfortable if Brandon Dubinsky wasn't a confused, inconsistent, overpaid player.

The Rangers unquestionably need more offense. That doesn't mean it needs to come in the form of an overpaid Rick Nash, but it's going to have to come from somewhere.
I'm curious how many of those teams that you mention were #1 in defense pretty much all season long before the playoffs.

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02-28-2012, 08:04 AM
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I'm curious how many of those teams that you mention were #1 in defense pretty much all season long before the playoffs.
Sting thinks the only way to win is to fit certain criteria on paper of past cup winners.

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02-28-2012, 08:14 AM
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I'm curious how many of those teams that you mention were #1 in defense pretty much all season long before the playoffs.
In 2008, the Red Wings were. Last season, the Bruins were #2 in defense. Yet, in all of the other seasons, the best defensive teams did not win the Cup. The Canucks, last year's top defensive and offensive team, got to the seventh game of the finals.

So it seems that having a superior offense is more important than having a superior defense based on this stuff.

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Sting thinks the only way to win is to fit certain criteria on paper of past cup winners.
I don't remember saying that. What I do think is that you can't win a championship in the NHL right now without having a very effective offense, particularly because so many of the best teams are excellent defensively. I think the Rangers have a decent offense, not a great one, and I think their power play is terrible. Even so, they probably have enough to get to the conference finals, and maybe even the finals if Crosby doesn't play in the playoffs. I just think the Canucks and the Red Wings are better, deeper teams.

And that's not a big deal, either. I think getting past the second round of the playoffs would make this a hugely successful season. This isn't a first place team. They're already going over expectations. They should only get better and better going forward, particularly once they can replace Dubinsky with a legit top six LW.

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