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02-28-2012, 03:54 AM
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Where does Carter Ashton rank in our organization?

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/toronto_maple_leafs

No specific order of prospects, categorized into positions (as per HF):

Nazem Kadri, C
Joe Colborne, C
Greg McKegg, C
Tony Cameranesi, C
Sam Carrick, C
Andrew Crescenzi, C

Brad Ross, LW
Jerry D'Amigo, LW
Josh Leivo, LW
Daniel Brodin, LW
David Broll, LW
Nicolas Deschamps, LW
Jamie Devane, LW
Leo Komarov, LW
Marcel Mueller, LW
Sondre Olden, LW

Matt Frattin, RW
Carter Ashton, RW
Tyler Biggs, RW
Josh Nicholls, RW
Tyler Brenner, RW
Richard Greenop, RW
Kenny Ryan, RW
Greg Scott, RW

Jake Gardiner, D
Jesse Blacker, D
Stuart Percy, D
Korbinian Holzer, D
Juraj Mikus, D
Mark Fraser, D
Simon Gysbers, D
Max Everson, D
Petter Granberg, D
Eric Knodel, D
Andrew MacWilliam, D
Tom Nilsson, D
Dennis Robertson, D

Ben Scrivens, G
Jussi Rynnas, G
Mark Owuya, G
Grant Rollheiser, G
Garret Sparks, G


What is your new top 20?

Where does Carter Ashton rank?

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My top 25:

1. Jake Gardiner
2. Nazem Kadri
3. Joe Colborne
4. Carter Ashton
5. Matt Frattin
6. Jesse Blacker
7. Tyler Biggs
8. Joshua Leivo
9. Brad Ross
10. Stuart Percy
11. Korbinian Holzer
12. Nicolas Deschamps
13. Mark Owuya
14. Jerry D'Amigo
15. Greg McKegg
16. Ben Scrivens
17. Marcel Mueller
18. Tom Nilsson
19. Garret Sparks
20. Sondre Olden
21. Josh Nicholls
22. Jussi Rynnas
23. Tony Cameranesi
24. Daniel Brodin
25. Juraj Mikus

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02-28-2012, 04:34 AM
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I place Frattin above him

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I place Frattin above him
As much as I like Matt Frattin, Ashton has age on his side as well as a better skill set.

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02-28-2012, 05:47 AM
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Ashton is above Frattin.

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My top 25:

1. Jake Gardiner
2. Nazem Kadri
3. Joe Colborne
4. Carter Ashton
5. Matt Frattin
6. Jesse Blacker
7. Tyler Biggs
8. Joshua Leivo
9. Brad Ross
10. Stuart Percy
11. Korbinian Holzer
12. Nicolas Deschamps
13. Mark Owuya
14. Jerry D'Amigo
15. Greg McKegg
16. Ben Scrivens
17. Marcel Mueller
18. Tom Nilsson
19. Garret Sparks
20. Sondre Olden
21. Josh Nicholls
22. Jussi Rynnas
23. Tony Cameranesi
24. Daniel Brodin
25. Juraj Mikus
I agree with the top 10 list. I think Ashton challenges Colborne but for now keeps his spot.

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John Eric's top 15

Probably needs updating but here is our own John Eric's list:
Top Prospects
1.Nazem Kadri, C
2.Joe Colborne, C
3.Jake Gardiner, D
4.Keith Aulie, D
5.Jesse Blacker, D
6.Matt Frattin, RW
7.Greg McKegg, C
8.Tyler Biggs, RW
9.Stuart Percy, D
10.Ben Scrivens, G
11.Brad Ross, LW
12.Jussi Rynnas, G
13.Korbinian Holzer, D
14.Jerry D'Amigo, LW
15.Juraj Mikus, D

According to TB Hockey Futures they rated Carter Ashton as a 7.0B prospect, same as Aulie.

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My top 25:

1. Jake Gardiner
2. Nazem Kadri
3. Joe Colborne
4. Carter Ashton
5. Matt Frattin
6. Jesse Blacker
7. Tyler Biggs
8. Joshua Leivo
9. Brad Ross
10. Stuart Percy
11. Korbinian Holzer
12. Nicolas Deschamps
13. Mark Owuya
14. Jerry D'Amigo
15. Greg McKegg
16. Ben Scrivens
17. Marcel Mueller
18. Tom Nilsson
19. Garret Sparks
20. Sondre Olden
21. Josh Nicholls
22. Jussi Rynnas
23. Tony Cameranesi
24. Daniel Brodin
25. Juraj Mikus
I put Kadri at #1

Agree with Ashton right behind Colborne though, then Frattin

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Over rated already

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Gardiner is no longer a Prospect.

Wonder how long until we see Ashton? Guess that will depend on how long they stay in the Playoff race.

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I believe Carter Ashton to be a very good second line powerforward who will helps drastically with the cycling game in our team in the future, with size and grit. Sort of how I view Colborne minus the grit factor ofc. Both are towering and both have the potential to be a top line player, but unfortunately and to look at it realistically they are very likely to be that second line player, at worst the third line players.

Carter Ashton has untapped offensive talent, from what I have seen in his past games(WHL days) not much of recent times, but he hasn't brought it out yet and hasn't done so consistently if I recall.

Colborne is similar he oozes potential but he hasn't brought it out and sort just hit the area where you are like cool a second line player thats there, so above average towering center man.

I was high on Carter Ashton because of his potential and his size, and I hope eakins can somehow bring out the offensive game in him, he has a 200 feet game but its his offensive game that he really needs to work on. Maybe colborne's playmaking center self will bring it out of him, I am hoping that's what eakins will try it out in the marlies. If we get the maximum output out of him then we are going to have a special player if not, we finally have that powerforward who can step in easily for us in the top six, ross another powerforward with pest attributes in the third line. While biggs still develops and brings out his skills in the college route to hone it hopefully, we can expect the best from him to be another top 6 player, very likely a second liner, at best and if all goes well a top liner.
That's what I wrote about carter ashton's view, IMO he should be a good help to our center prospects, hopefully give kadri or colborne good big protection to open up the ice.

I think Kadri is still our blue-chipper, Gardiner comes second, Colborne respectively afterwards and then Ashton.

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Gardiner is no longer a Prospect.

Wonder how long until we see Ashton? Guess that will depend on how long they stay in the Playoff race.
I say come mid next season when some players are moved to make way for the youth-movement with a good mix of veterans in our groups as well.

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Gardiner is no longer a Prospect.

Wonder how long until we see Ashton? Guess that will depend on how long they stay in the Playoff race.
Not until next year at least, I would say. If we bring up a forward prospect this year it will be one of Kadri, Colborne or Mueller.

Most likely he doesn't crack the big squad full-time until at least the year after next.

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Gardiner is no longer a Prospect.
Yes he is.

Jake is 21 years old, check the definition of 'prospect' in the dictionary.

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I put Kadri at #1

Agree with Ashton right behind Colborne though, then Frattin
There is no way Nazem Kadri comes close to Jake Gardiner.

Nobody in the system does.

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Yes he is.

Jake is 21 years old, check the definition of 'prospect' in the dictionary.
end of the season he wont be, he should be a graduate.

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How is Gardiner not our top prospect? He's been playing well over 20 minutes a night in the big leagues, and has been our best defenceman the past month or so, and has been solid all year minus one little rough patch most likely due to fatigue from never playing a full schedule like this.

My top 5:

Gardiner
Kadri
Colborne
Ashton
Frattin

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Gardiner
Ashton
Colborne
Frattin
Kadri

Sorry guys, I just don't see Kadri as higher than any of those guys. One on one, and either of those guys would kill Kadri. Just because Kadri has a few nice dangles doesnt mean he is complete. Physically, not even close to those guys. Not a power forward, what is he?

Kadri is Johnny Dangles 2.0

Matter of time before most realize he is a flop.

sorry for bubble bursting.

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end of the season he wont be, he should be a graduate.
According to Hockeysfuture.com, yes. According to the true definition of 'prospect', no.

To gauge the true quality of organizational depth, you can't punish them for having top notch talent that contribute at the NHL level before most in their age group. Gardiner is still 21 years old and on a two-way contract.

Guys at that age on their entry level contracts are deemed 'prospects' in my books.

Whether they've played 50 games in the NHL this season or 50 games in the AHL.

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Gardiner
Ashton
Colborne
Frattin
Kadri

Sorry guys, I just don't see Kadri as higher than any of those guys. One on one, and either of those guys would kill Kadri. Just because Kadri has a few nice dangles doesnt mean he is complete. Physically, not even close to those guys. Not a power forward, what is he?

Kadri is Johnny Dangles 2.0

Matter of time before most realize he is a flop.

sorry for bubble bursting.
He's a playmaker whose going to put up points on the board for you, help you on your PP, and keep defensemen honest.

Powerforwards are useless without playmakers. One on one physically sure Kadri loses, but in many other areas of the game Kadri outshines all 3 of those guys, by a wide margin, especially offensively.

Not comparing Kadri or the other players to any of these guys but just for logics sake...

What would Hartnell be this year without Giroux on his line?
What about Michalek without Spezza?
Lucic without Krejci?

Its not all muscle in this game, you've got to have skill. And skill wise none of those prospects come even close to Kadri. Sure you can crash the net and bang pucks in, but how can you do that without having a guy to get you the puck in the first place?

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“Carter Ashton was one of our guys doing a great job in front of the net. He’s a very, very hardworking kid with an amazing attitude, I really enjoyed him. Everything we wanted to teach he wanted to do, and he wanted to do more, and I thought he did very good in the games.. a big boy too that can skate, not a lot of those guys around, they’re rare. He’s a real power forward. We use that word very often with guys that don’t really deserve that name but in this case he’s the real deal and he’s going to be a good player.”
That's some glowing praise from a good coach

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Kadri is more highly touted but with what Gardiner has done and is doing in the NHL - he is the best "prospect" in the Leafs system period. That does not mean Kadri cant get better and be a potential top line forward in the NHL as different players develop differently.

Gardiner is number one right now.

1. Gardiner
2. Kadri
3. Colbourne
4. Ashton
5. Blacker

I have never been a Frattin fan. He can be a good effective player in the NHL but i dont see him being more than a 2-way 3rd line forward - something like MacArthur.

Where as Kadri, Colbourne and Ashton can potentially be legit top 6 guys with a floor of a third line player. Gardiner is a top pairing defender and Blacker can be a top 4 guy who can QB a PP even though his numbers are not great.

Just my opinion - regardless of what anyone says i think we can be all satisfied with out top 10 farm system with the potential to be top 5. Burke has done so much to make not only our team better but also our farm system one of the best. He has traded for 3 of our top 5 prospects in Gardiner, Colbourne and Ashton in the last year. Very impressive.

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Yes he is.

Jake is 21 years old, check the definition of 'prospect' in the dictionary.
He's been a full time NHLer all year. That's not a Prospect, that's a Rookie.

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Nazem is a bust, get over it.

and the rest are 3rd line players, 2nd line at best.

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He's been a full time NHLer all year. That's not a Prospect, that's a Rookie.
As I said, if you want to gauge the quality of future talent in an organization, you take into consideration players that are just beginning their NHL careers (with age/contract status in mind). You can call guys like Gardiner (Nugent-Hopkins, Couturier, Cowen, Kruger, Schenn, etc.) whatever you want, but they're each deemed a 'prospect' in the true definition of the word.

Gardiner has not peeked and is still younger than 95% of the NHL.

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