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Where does Carter Ashton rank in our organization?

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02-28-2012, 10:08 AM
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Saw this in another thread, not sure who the reviewer is but
I saw that as well. That is not a Leafs fan review of him. That is a scouts. Unfair to label that as just a Leafs fan POV.

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02-28-2012, 10:09 AM
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Ryan Malone is a decent upside comparison. But that's upside, not necessarily the "likely" result.

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I think he means in general, the consensus opinion of Leafs fans towards their prospects is quite different than the league's perception.

Colborne is Joe Thornton 2.0.
Kadri is Claude Giroux 2.0.
Gardiner is Duncan Keith 2.0.
Biggs is David Backes 2.0.
Percy is Duncan Keith 3.0

etc. etc.

I like Blacker, though. Could be a decent Colaicovo 2.0.
describing those as "consensus" opinions is, of course, a lie.

Not understanding what the word "upside" means, of course, is just ignorance.

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02-28-2012, 10:11 AM
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Ryan Malone is a decent upside comparison. But that's upside, not necessarily the "likely" result.
This is something some of us can't understand.

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Far inferior to Joe Thornton.
Thought so.

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People around here put them on a pedistle, the Leafs are good at making them seem like there amazing to delusional fans
wtf are you talking about

First of all this is a ranking amongst our prospects, they have not even been compared to anyone throughout this thread. Not only that but when Ashton was in Tampa, he was a guaranteed top 6 player and was pretty much seen to be untouchable to their fan base. Yet, here where we see him as a 2nd/3rd line PWF and rank him 3-5 amongst our top prospects we are somehow overrating them?

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I'm intriqued with Leivo, he's already 6'2 180 as a 18 year old, he won't be 19 until May. He has 64 pts in 57 games with Sudbury.

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You can never compare a prospect to an actual NHL player. It's impossible.

The comparisons are usually there for the casual/amateur NHL fan to make an idea on the style of the player. Heck the pro scouts use the comparisons all the time to explain the style and expectations of a prospect.

Just because a fan thinks Biggs plays like Lucic, he doesn't really think Biggs will be the exact same impact or he'll for sure be that type of player. A prospect is just that, a prospect. Same goes for Colborne with Thornton, or Schenn with Foote.

Leaf fans are not the only fan base that overrate their own prospect or put unrealistic comparisons. Stop making the assumption we are the only fan base that does.

It's like saying Datsyuk can absolutely fly out there. He can't literally fly, you dimwit.

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I'm intriqued with Leivo, he's already 6'2 180 as a 18 year old, he won't be 19 until May. He has 64 pts in 57 games with Sudbury.
He had a really bad start to the season too coming out of camp. He is playing with some skilled guys though in Sgarbossa (2nd in OHL scoring, puck hog, and a floater) and Kuchin (Russian). He has a nose for the net, and a good shot but still somewhat raw. Hopefully he can continue to develop and I hope Burke picks Campagna later this year in the draft.

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02-28-2012, 10:14 AM
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describing those as "consensus" opinions is, of course, a lie.

Not understanding what the word "upside" means, of course, is just ignorance.
Yup, the honeymoon stage is over and now reality is starting to sink in for the majority of Leafs fans.

It's unfamiliar territory, I know.

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You can never compare a prospect to an actual NHL player. It's impossible.

The comparisons are usually there for the casual/amateur NHL fan to make an idea on the style of the player. Heck the pro scouts use the comparisons all the time to explain the style and expectations of a prospect.

Just because a fan thinks Biggs plays like Lucic, he doesn't really think Biggs will be the exact same impact or he'll for sure be that type of player. A prospect is just that, a prospect.

Leaf fans are not the only fan base that overrated their own prospect or put unrealistic comparisons. Stop making the assumption we are the only fan base that does.

It's like saying Datsyuk can absolutely fly out there. He can't literally fly, you dimwit.
Thank you. Again, thank you. CBA to write this but this is exactly what people need to understand when we are comparing prospects. No one EVER says they are guaranteed to be something, because you never know.. This is exactly what everyone needs to read.

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Yup, the honeymoon stage is over and now reality is starting to sink in for the majority of Leafs fans.
Everybody watch out, the "realist" Leaf fan is here

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I`d put Ashton after Gardiner and Colborne, but ahead of Kadri who is a completely overrated turd. I sort of hope we tank this season and pick top 5 so we can move on to another prospect to idolize for no good reason, this Nazem Kadri fascination is so played out.

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Everybody watch out, the "realist" Leaf fan is here
I like how you use that word with a negative connatation.

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Looks like we have some good prospects. Too bad we don't use any of them. With the exception being Gardiner.

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Seems to that for every leaf fan who thinks that a leafs prospect is awesome, there's another leaf fan who thinks that prospect sucks.

That would seem to indicate that the "consensus" opinion on the prospects would be somewhere in the middle.

Looking at our top-5 prospects coming into the year, Gardiner has played awesome, Kadri/Colborne/Aulie have been up and down, and Reimer has struggled. Seems like a pretty fair result considering the consensus opinion on those prospects.

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Nazem is a bust, get over it.

and the rest are 3rd line players, 2nd line at best.
Agreed.

Honestly, are we really having a discussion on Ashton, who is nothing more than a warm body for the marlies?

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02-28-2012, 10:24 AM
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Looks like we have some good prospects. Too bad we don't use any of them. With the exception being Gardiner.
Gunnarsson, Kulemin, Schenn, Gardiner, Reimer, Gustavsson, Frattin, Kadri, Colborne all played their first NHL game with us, and Grabovski played his rookie season with us.

That is just on the team.

You can add Aulie, While, Stajan, Tlusty and probably more.

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Looks like we have some good prospects. Too bad we don't use any of them. With the exception being Gardiner.
That's because most of the others aren't completely ready yet to make the jump. It's called development, same thing Tampa Bay was doing with Ashton before he was traded here.

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02-28-2012, 10:40 AM
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Agreed.

Honestly, are we really having a discussion on Ashton, who is nothing more than a warm body for the marlies?
Ashton was one of Tampa Bays best prospects and now he is one of our best prospects. Pretty good warm body that has been discussed long before he was property of the Leafs, after all this is hockey website.

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02-28-2012, 10:48 AM
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Gardiner is the only real blue chip prospect we have, if we can even consider him a prospect. Kadri remains projected as a top 6 guy, and I'd say it's about a 50/50 shot right now at him ever becoming an Impact NHL player. Don't talk to me about Ryan or Dats because for every story like that there are 100 more with opposite results.

As for the rest, Colborne, Frattin, Ashton,etc, if we're lucky one or two of these guys will pan out and become an NHL player. Most likely solid 3rd line guys. And there is nothing wrong with that. Time will tell.

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02-28-2012, 10:50 AM
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Yeah, it's ridiculous to consider a rookie to be a prospect.

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Gardiner is no longer a Prospect.

Wonder how long until we see Ashton? Guess that will depend on how long they stay in the Playoff race.
Yes he is. And 5 right after frattin

Kadri
Gardiner
Colborne
Frattin
Ashton

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I no longer consider Gardiner a prospect..He is an NHL regular and is here to stay. So here is my Top 5.

1. Joe Colborne
2. Nazem Kadri
3. Carter Ashton
4. Matt Frattin
5. Jesse Blacker

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