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02-27-2012, 01:32 AM
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it would cost less to trade up in the draft and grab reinhart than it would to trade for weber as an rfa.

I say we do that, and then try to sign suter as well.

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02-27-2012, 01:43 AM
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it would cost less to trade up in the draft and grab reinhart than it would to trade for weber as an rfa.

I say we do that, and then try to sign suter as well.
Reinhart would be awesome. But we'd have to draft REALLY high (top 10) probably.

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02-27-2012, 01:45 AM
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Reinhart would be awesome. But we'd have to draft REALLY high (top 10) probably.
We may be able to put together a package like our 1st, Bobrovsky and the rights to Carle depending on who holds the pick were after.

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We may be able to put together a package like our 1st, Bobrovsky and the rights to Carle depending on who holds the pick were after.
The only team I could see Bob go to is Edmonton (that is in the bottom 10 in the league). They are the only team without a true #1 and Bob can definitely fight for the position there. Maybe Tampa as well.

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Apparently there are thirty guys in the league's top ten defense men...

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02-27-2012, 09:02 AM
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For those who do want physicality, remember, Kubina does want to re-sign and he's not really interesting in testing UFA waters.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...139721283.html

Honestly, I think we should give him a shot if we he can take a pretty big discount.
I love Grossman and Kubina. Again, ANYONE will look bad from time to time in this system, but Grossman is playing a big mans game and Kubina is adding a lot to the 2nd PP unit with that Cannon right handed shot. I hope they resign both. Hopefully cap friendly and short term

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02-27-2012, 09:21 AM
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I believe he is a #1 d-man, not sure if he is a franchise defenseman. I believe there is a difference.

A franchise d-man is Chara, Pronger, Lidstrom, Weber, and thats about it. Maybe I missed one, but that's basically it. They have proven to be the best of the best, the upper echelon, the guys who can play 30 minutes and you only have to worry about the other 30.

Suter is a step below but could prove himself to be in that level. He will play shutdown hockey and play in all the important spots of the game. He can carry his partner on given nights and anchor your D. He is not the best of the best, but he is right below.

And for those who are saying there too many top 10 d-men:
Pronger (when healthy)
Chara
Weber
Lidstrom
Letang
Karllson
Keith
Suter
Pietrangelo
Timonen
Yandle (#11, but top 10 w/ Pronger out)

That's is my top 10, so yea, I have him top 10.

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I believe he is a #1 d-man, not sure if he is a franchise defenseman. I believe there is a difference.

A franchise d-man is Chara, Pronger, Lidstrom, Weber, and thats about it. Maybe I missed one, but that's basically it. They have proven to be the best of the best, the upper echelon, the guys who can play 30 minutes and you only have to worry about the other 30.

Suter is a step below but could prove himself to be in that level. He will play shutdown hockey and play in all the important spots of the game. He can carry his partner on given nights and anchor your D. He is not the best of the best, but he is right below.

And for those who are saying there too many top 10 d-men:
Pronger (when healthy)
Chara
Weber
Lidstrom
Letang
Karllson
Keith
Suter
Pietrangelo
Timonen
Yandle (#11, but top 10 w/ Pronger out)

That's is my top 10, so yea, I have him top 10.
No Doughty? And to think, two years ago he was going to win the Norris for the next 10 years and was this generations Bobby Orr. Now he is forgotton in top ten lists.

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If the option is carle for 5mil or suter for 7mil. I'll still take suter.

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02-27-2012, 01:11 PM
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No Doughty? And to think, two years ago he was going to win the Norris for the next 10 years and was this generations Bobby Orr. Now he is forgotton in top ten lists.
Forgotten? Not at all, just doesn't deserve it. His play has not been top 10 this year.

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02-27-2012, 01:16 PM
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If Suter/Weber is a pipe-dream, does this line up really sound that bad?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ben Holmstrom ($0.825m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.500m)
Pavel Kubina ($2.000m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,334,444; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,965,556

I mean, if need be, we can spend that rest on something bigger up front or on D if Suter/Weber is out the question.

I do still think Timonen, Mez, Kubina and MAB are PP d-men quality.
Coburn is not worth 2 million more than Kubina from what I've seen

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If Suter/Weber is a pipe-dream, does this line up really sound that bad?
I think we should stop thinking about Suter or Weber now.

Suter basically challenged the Preds' org to bolster the lineup and show they are serious about a Cup run this year.

The org extended GM Poile, then he acquired Big Hal Gill, one of the best rental Dmen on the market, and esp. good for a team with a lot of smurf D.

Today they added scoring potential in Andrei Kostitsyn and a big checking C in Paul Gaustad.

I think that these acquisitions will really help the Preds in the playoffs, and will convince Suter to re-up and Weber to sign an extension too.

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I'm really jealous of the predators. They seem to know what they are doing.

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I'm really jealous of the predators. They seem to know what they are doing.
I have been hoping for a 2003 draft like the preds for years.... nope

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I'm really jealous of the predators. They seem to know what they are doing.
Philly just really needs to stay the course with this team. Don't "go for it" and trade away some of these young guys. Let them develop, draft some defensemen and let the kids grow together. In 2 or 3 years this team could be dominant.

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Philly just really needs to stay the course with this team. Don't "go for it" and trade away some of these young guys. Let them develop, draft some defensemen and let the kids grow together. In 2 or 3 years this team could be dominant.
Totally agree...sometimes the best move(s) you make is the move(s) you don't make...

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02-28-2012, 10:27 AM
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Philly just really needs to stay the course with this team. Don't "go for it" and trade away some of these young guys. Let them develop, draft some defensemen and let the kids grow together. In 2 or 3 years this team could be dominant.
That really worked out for Richards and Carter

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That really worked out for Richards and Carter
Well they tried to let them grow together but apparently as Richards noted there were "little groups" in the locker room and Snider also said he didn't think they were "growing" as a team so they pushed the reset button and now you have this which is much better...

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“Yeah, at the end of the day, I’m happy to still be a Flyer,” he said. “I love all the guys we have on the team. We have a great group of guys, not only on the ice, but off the ice, as well. I’m really excited about what we can do together.

“There’s a lot of potential for us to do great things in the postseason. I’m happy to still be here. This is the only place I’ve ever known.”

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Well they tried to let them grow together but apparently as Richards noted there were "little groups" in the locker room and Snider also said he didn't think they were "growing" as a team so they pushed the reset button and now you have this which is much better...
Trading for Pronger really signalled that the growth stage was over for Richards and Carter. And it also left the cupboard barren with no chance to restock.

Now they can create a pipeline of players to supplement the growth.

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