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02-28-2012, 10:26 AM
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sad day for me as a long time habs fan

I've been a long time habs fan but today is a sad day for me after seeing Hal Gills interview about AK. 5 years ago we had a top rated farm team and prospect pool and today we are back to the Houle Tremblay era and looks to me like a long way to get back to where we were. I have little or no faith in the current management team and the with the press and their epectations of habs players I can't see how it will ever get any better.

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And what did he say exactly about Kostitsyn?

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I've been a long time habs fan but today is a sad day for me after seeing Hal Gills interview about AK. 5 years ago we had a top rated farm team and prospect pool and today we are back to the Houle Tremblay era and looks to me like a long way to get back to where we were. I have little or no faith in the current management team and the with the press and their epectations of habs players I can't see how it will ever get any better.
kiiiiinda useless without the quote dude...

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This team is three players, a GM and two drafts from being legit again. Shouldn't take but a couple years.

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Subban
Pacioretty
Eller
Emelin
Leblanc
Geoffrion
White
Beaulieu
Tinordi
Gallagher
Bournival
Kristo

All young players already in the NHL or close to make it (1-2 years). Add to that a lottery pick, strong leaders (Gorges, Cole, Gionta...) and some key depth players, and you definitely have something to build around.

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02-28-2012, 10:33 AM
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This team is missing a PP QB (Markov), Top line big center, and a tough stay at home Dman. Then of course a good coach and GM. The prospect pool is pretty good, especially after this years draft, so the habs arn't so far from being a contender as the standings indicate.

Think of New Jersey last season

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02-28-2012, 10:34 AM
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We hardly have a thin prospect pool. You wanna see thin? Look at Calgary.

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I don't get it...
Houle era? really
Our farm team looks to be one of the best next year with Bealieu,Tinordi,Gallager (just to name a few) plus on top of that we have a top 3(5) pick this year plus two in the 2nd round and 4 picks in the top 60 in next years draft
As for the trades we traded away two players (Gill and AK) that weren't in our future plans and got back good value for both

And with all the cap space next year im sure we will be ok

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great quote. i hate that gill...

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http://video.predators.nhl.com/videocenter/ -> Preds Players Talk Andrei Kostitsyn Trade

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He was in a tough position in Montreal. [...] He can win a game for you.
There's some other stuff, but nothing really major.

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This team is missing a PP QB (Markov), Top line big center, and a tough stay at home Dman. Then of course a good coach and GM. The prospect pool is pretty good, especially after this years draft, so the habs arn't so far from being a contender as the standings indicate.

Think of New Jersey last season
I thinking Philly in 07...

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02-28-2012, 10:42 AM
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I think people really under emphasize how most of our most promising prospects have not turned pro yet, but will be shortly.

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And what did he say exactly about Kostitsyn?
sorry it was TSN this morning he said it was a different atmosphere there and he noticed when he arrived in Nashville that SK was fitting in with the guys and he hoped that it would be the same for AK. I was thinking more about all the young guys we let go to soon the last number of years which really depleted our talent pool and has left us where we are now, relentless media pressure.

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You guys are severely overrating our prospect pool.

Eller only becomes Plekanec in the best case scenario. Leblanc, probably less. It's a sideways move at best, because by that time Plekanec won't be as good, or he'll be traded for a 2nd round draft pick.

If we're lucky, only one of Tinordi/Beaulieu becomes a top-4 dman. By that time Gorges will be on the wrong side of 30 and Markov on the wrong side of 35. Most defensemen drafted in the 1st round don't pan out. It's a dice roll not a sure thing, and the dice is weighted towards "bust". The same Trevor Timmins who drafted Ryan McDonagh drafted David Fischer the year before.

Gallagher? I'm not looking forward to Gallagher-Desharnais-Gionta as our 2nd line.

Bournival? Kristo? Geoffrion? lol.

Ryan White? He's Gregory Stewart without the fighting ability.

What we're missing is a legit 1st line center with size, a shutdown dman who is good enough for the 1st pairing, a 3rd line shutdown center, a good coach, and a good GM. However, that's what every bad team in the NHL is missing.

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02-28-2012, 10:45 AM
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Price
Subban
Pacioretty
Eller
Emelin
Leblanc
Geoffrion
White
Beaulieu
Tinordi
Gallagher
Bournival
Kristo

All young players already in the NHL or close to make it (1-2 years). Add to that a lottery pick, strong leaders (Gorges, Cole, Gionta...) and some key depth players, and you definitely have something to build around.
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We hardly have a thin prospect pool. You wanna see thin? Look at Calgary.
Here is some cold water for what's making you hard.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1121493

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02-28-2012, 10:46 AM
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In all honesty, I've been feeling somewhat the same way for the last little while.
All it's gonna take is a little poor trading and we're right back to the good ole twilight of the Molson days.
I'll still cheer my @ss off and have optimism with Markov and Gio returning for next year and what will hopefully be a great 1st pick for the team

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You guys are severely overrating our prospect pool.

Eller only becomes Plekanec in the best case scenario. Leblanc, probably less. It's a sideways move at best, because by that time Plekanec won't be as good, or he'll be traded for a 2nd round draft pick.

If we're lucky, only one of Tinordi/Beaulieu becomes a top-4 dman. By that time Gorges will be on the wrong side of 30 and Markov on the wrong side of 35.

Gallagher? I'm not looking forward to Gallagher-Desharnais-Gionta as our 2nd line.

Bournival? Kristo? Geoffrion? lol.

Ryan White? He's Gregory Stewart without the fighting ability.

What we're missing is a legit 1st line center with size, a shutdown dman who is good enough for the 1st pairing, a 3rd line shutdown center, a good coach, and a good GM. However, that's what every bad team in the NHL is missing.
This organization is the thinnest it's been in it's history. period. Long time in the making, will take a long time to grow out of the predicament.

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sorry it was TSN this morning he said it was a different atmosphere there and he noticed when he arrived in Nashville that SK was fitting in with the guys and he hoped that it would be the same for AK. I was thinking more about all the young guys we let go to soon the last number of years which really depleted our talent pool and has left us where we are now, relentless media pressure.
Entertainment on AC is more important than anything, dude.

It gives paychecks to about 5 fired local-boy coaches.


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Gallagher? I'm not looking forward to Gallagher-Desharnais-Gionta as our 2nd line.
in other words: "im gonna go ahead and the smallest line ever in fantasy land to make my point stronger."

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I don't get it...
Houle era? really
Our farm team looks to be one of the best next year with Bealieu,Tinordi,Gallager (just to name a few) plus on top of that we have a top 3(5) pick this year plus two in the 2nd round and 4 picks in the top 60 in next years draft
As for the trades we traded away two players (Gill and AK) that weren't in our future plans and got back good value for both

And with all the cap space next year im sure we will be ok
It should be back to being above average after the upcoming draft but last few years it's been pretty shallow. Habs have traded a lot of their top 90 picks since the 2008 draft. We had four top 60 picks in from 2008-2011. In 2012 and 2013 we are pegged to get 7.

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You guys are severely overrating our prospect pool.

Eller only becomes Plekanec in the best case scenario. Leblanc, probably less.

If we're lucky, only one of Tinordi/Beaulieu becomes a top-4 dman. By that time Gorges will be on the wrong side of 30 and Markov on the wrong side of 35.

Gallagher? I'm not looking forward to Gallagher-Desharnais-Gionta as our 2nd line.

Bournival? Kristo? Geoffrion? lol.

Ryan White? He's Gregory Stewart without the fighting ability.

What we're missing is a legit 1st line center with size, a shutdown dman who is good enough for the 1st pairing, a 3rd line shutdown center, a good coach, and a good GM. However, that's what every bad team in the NHL is missing.
Or you can look at it like this

1st line Center with size might be available in the top 5 of this draft
Shutdown dman (Tinordi)
3rd line shutdown center can be had threw UFA's or prospects... Thats not a big hole to fill

White has handled himself pretty well in fights i don't know which fights you have been watching

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I've been a long time habs fan but today is a sad day for me after seeing Hal Gills interview about AK. 5 years ago we had a top rated farm team and prospect pool and today we are back to the Houle Tremblay era and looks to me like a long way to get back to where we were. I have little or no faith in the current management team and the with the press and their epectations of habs players I can't see how it will ever get any better.
5 years ago...

In red: no longer with us

2007-2008 - Regular Season - Montréal Canadiens – 104 points

Andrei Kostitsyn – Plekanec – Kovalev
HigginsKoivu - Ryder
LatendresseLapierreKostopoulos
BéginSmolinskiDandenault

Markov – Komisarek
Hamrlik – Gorges
StreitBouillon

Huet
Price

Plus: Sergei Kostitsyn (52 GP but I don't remember his linemates!), Halak, Grabovski, O'Byrne, Brisebois, Chipchura, D'Agostini...


Talk about stability eh?

What I find the most disheartening is the fact that a lot of those players were young and effective: Latendresse, Grabovski, Lapierre, Sergei Kostitsyn, Andrei Kostitsyn...


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Price
Subban
Pacioretty
Eller
Emelin
Leblanc
Geoffrion
White
Beaulieu
Tinordi
Gallagher
Bournival
Kristo

All young players already in the NHL or close to make it (1-2 years). Add to that a lottery pick, strong leaders (Gorges, Cole, Gionta...) and some key depth players, and you definitely have something to build around.
There is a doom and gloom cloud surrounding the 2011-12 edition but I agree with you:

(1) Reading your list of young players is reassuring (Pribyl is also an intriguing prospect)

(2) Healthy (Markov, Gionta and Moen) I think our Habs are one tough and experienced D away from being a top tier team; someone who can eat a lot of even strength minutes. Soon to be UFA Jackman fits the description imo.

Oh... and Randy "hail to goons and dump and chase" has to go away!


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in other words: "im gonna go ahead and the smallest line ever in fantasy land to make my point stronger."

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First of all, you never know with these coaches. You have a point though. Maybe Gallagher would make Gionta tradeable, and then Cunneyworth can upgrade the line by putting in Darche: Gallagher-Desharnais-Darche.

Second, hyperbole is a valid rhetorical tactic to make the point. Having one small guy in the top-6 is already causing reverbations throughout the lineup... he has to be sheltered, given more offensive zone faceoffs, which means Plekanec is now being paid 5 million dollars a year to be a shutdown center when in fact he has better offensive skills. Having 2 or 3 of these guys in the lineup would make it nearly impossible to roll the bottom 9.

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You guys are severely overrating our prospect pool.

Eller only becomes Plekanec in the best case scenario. Leblanc, probably less. It's a sideways move at best, because by that time Plekanec won't be as good, or he'll be traded for a 2nd round draft pick.

If we're lucky, only one of Tinordi/Beaulieu becomes a top-4 dman. By that time Gorges will be on the wrong side of 30 and Markov on the wrong side of 35. Most defensemen drafted in the 1st round don't pan out. It's a dice roll not a sure thing, and the dice is weighted towards "bust". The same Trevor Timmins who drafted Ryan McDonagh drafted David Fischer the year before.

Gallagher? I'm not looking forward to Gallagher-Desharnais-Gionta as our 2nd line.

Bournival? Kristo? Geoffrion? lol.

Ryan White? He's Gregory Stewart without the fighting ability.

What we're missing is a legit 1st line center with size, a shutdown dman who is good enough for the 1st pairing, a 3rd line shutdown center, a good coach, and a good GM. However, that's what every bad team in the NHL is missing.
It's absolutely hilarious that you can predict the future for prospects. You should be a scout. Go cheer for toronto debbie downer

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People have been complaining about Andrei Kostitsyn for a long time now, about how he shows up 1 in every 10 game, how he doesn't make an impact, etc. Now that he is 26 or 27, soon-to-be UFA in a bad season, some fans think the Habs just traded their youth for nothing? Mkay.

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