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02-28-2012, 11:01 AM
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Gardiner is the only real blue chip prospect we have, if we can even consider him a prospect. Kadri remains projected as a top 6 guy, and I'd say it's about a 50/50 shot right now at him ever becoming an Impact NHL player. Don't talk to me about Ryan or Dats because for every story like that there are 100 more with opposite results.

As for the rest, Colborne, Frattin, Ashton,etc, if we're lucky one or two of these guys will pan out and become an NHL player. Most likely solid 3rd line guys. And there is nothing wrong with that. Time will tell.
We can keep talking about what they'll become, but until this organization allows a longer leash for these guys on the big club they won't be anything more than AHL'ers. The way Kadri has been treated like a yo-yo has been concerned. Holzer seems to be NHL ready but he's going to stay with the Marlies for the playoff push. And who knows yet on Colborne and Ashton.

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02-28-2012, 11:02 AM
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"has me concerned"

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02-28-2012, 11:04 AM
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i dont really get the hard on for cater ashton, he was drafted 3 years ago (same year as kadri) and has yet to play a game in the nhl

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02-28-2012, 11:04 AM
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Gardiner is no longer a Prospect.

Wonder how long until we see Ashton? Guess that will depend on how long they stay in the Playoff race.
If he really impresses at camp, maybe we'll see him come October? Or maybe midway through next season.

Posted above me, big boys usually take a longer time to develop and fill out their bodies.

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i dont really get the hard on for cater ashton, he was drafted 3 years ago (same year as kadri) and has yet to play a game in the nhl
He's only 20 years old. Take it easy.

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02-28-2012, 11:14 AM
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Haha no, you seriously got your homer goggles on.. Your just upset when someone tells your wrong, that's why you spit out a huge paragraph
Only a select few think our prospects are guaranteed superstars, a very select few. You use those few to generalize the whole fanbase, and further use it to be some self righteous "realist" who thinks he's smarter than everybody. Give up the act buddy, no one cares.

Carter Ashton is not a blue chipper, but with his skillset and his potential to fill a need in our top six down the road, he is one of our top prospects.

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02-28-2012, 11:18 AM
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Ashton, Colborne, Kadri and others will all get there shot to be FULL Time NHL'ers after next season. Why? Lombardi, Armstrong, Macarthur and Connolly are all expired. ( I expect Lupul and perhaps Bozak too sign)

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02-28-2012, 11:22 AM
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1. Kadri
2. Colborne
3. Ashton
4. Biggs
5. Percy
6. Holzer
7. Frattin
8. Mckegg
9. Granberg
10. Ross

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02-28-2012, 11:24 AM
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Ashton, Colborne, Kadri and others will all get there shot to be FULL Time NHL'ers after next season. Why? Lombardi, Armstrong, Macarthur and Connolly are all expired. ( I expect Lupul and perhaps Bozak too sign)
I expect Burke will make trades/target UFA's to fill some of those holes. These guys will play and get their shot when they've earned it, they proved with Gardiner this season if you play well enough and keep playing well, they will find a way to get you in the lineup regardless.

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we can keep talking about what they'll become, but until this organization allows a longer leash for these guys on the big club they won't be anything more than ahl'ers. The way kadri has been treated like a yo-yo has been concerned. Holzer seems to be nhl ready but he's going to stay with the marlies for the playoff push. And who knows yet on colborne and ashton.
this!

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02-28-2012, 11:31 AM
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Ashton is not over rated, but Colborne is. People arguing if he's on his level, he is, not because Ashton is a start prospect, but Colborne is a worse one.

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02-28-2012, 11:36 AM
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I expect Burke will make trades/target UFA's to fill some of those holes. These guys will play and get their shot when they've earned it, they proved with Gardiner this season if you play well enough and keep playing well, they will find a way to get you in the lineup regardless.
Very true, But I would rather get the young guys in there than have overpayed plugs. It pisses me off everyday.

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If you are rating Gardiner as a prospect, there is no way he rates below anyone in this organization. He's #1

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02-28-2012, 11:50 AM
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No love for Greg McKegg?

The only prospect I really like is Jake "smooth skater" Gardiner. No top tier talent in the farm club, and Kadri being mishandled is troubling. Ashton is decent, not great... but he's still young. No #1 center concerns me - burke can't be stubborn about this. There isn't someone in the system worthy of that slot, gotta get someone via FA or trade.


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02-28-2012, 11:55 AM
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No love for Greg McKegg?

The only prospect I really like is Jake "smooth skater Gardiner. No top tier talent in the farm club, and Kadri being mishandled is troubling. Ashton is decent, not great... but he's still young. Still, no #1 center concerns me - burke can't be stubborn about this.
Mckegg is probably is ranked third or fourth, but he is in junior so it's hard so say.

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02-28-2012, 12:07 PM
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lol @ everyone calling Kadri a bust.

You guys are gonna look awfully stupid when Kadri finally "realizes it" and plays to his potential. Don't come back pleading.

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02-28-2012, 12:10 PM
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Far inferior to Joe Thornton.
Ashton isn't being overrated first off.

Second Colborne has always been regarded widely as a poor man's Joe Thornton. The hope is for a large 2nd line center and he could very well become that.

Ashton makes sense as our 3rd/4th best prospect. He has NHL-ready size, good two-way game and showed (early on) that he could put the puck in the net. There's a lot of promise in him being a 2nd or 3rd liner, which beats out Frattin who may make the NHL.

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Yeah, it's ridiculous to consider a rookie to be a prospect.
Of course it's not ridiculous. But I think it's a testament to how good he's been that many consider him more of a sure thing than a prospective thing.

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02-28-2012, 12:15 PM
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No love for Greg McKegg?

The only prospect I really like is Jake "smooth skater" Gardiner. No top tier talent in the farm club, and Kadri being mishandled is troubling. Ashton is decent, not great... but he's still young. No #1 center concerns me - burke can't be stubborn about this. There isn't someone in the system worthy of that slot, gotta get someone via FA or trade.
McKegg is still in junior as indicated. He's playing well but he's also just in junior. When he gets to the Marlies next year (I think he's eligible then?) Leaf fans can get a better look at him and his potential.

Kadri isn't being mishandled all that much, there's zero room up top and he probably realizes it's better to play with his likely future linemates Colborne and Frattin/D'Amigo then toil in the pressbox only jumping into half the games he could. Also playoffs could help him.

I think a #1 center is unrealistic to look at. The leafs would need to pounce hard on someone in an off-year or go hard at a rebuilding team. Getting what is arguably the highest costing player isn't easy especially if he is entering his prime or already in it. Bozak has done admirably in that slot so let him be. Leafs best chance comes from sucking into a top 5 pick and that's unlikely. Maybe they get a Backes or Weiss or Krejci in the draft but who knows. The best course for Burkie's Leafs is to have depth and not break the bank on a star center.

Would rather have 10 40+ point players then 6 50+ point players.

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02-28-2012, 12:17 PM
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Ashton is Tampa Bay's #1 ranked prospect in THN's Future Watch 2012. He's 37th overall which would put him number 2 on Toronto's list, after Joe Colborne (18th).

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02-28-2012, 12:17 PM
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Nazem is a bust, get over it.

and the rest are 3rd line players, 2nd line at best.
Bust at the age of 21?

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He's a playmaker whose going to put up points on the board for you, help you on your PP, and keep defensemen honest.

Powerforwards are useless without playmakers. One on one physically sure Kadri loses, but in many other areas of the game Kadri outshines all 3 of those guys, by a wide margin, especially offensively.

Not comparing Kadri or the other players to any of these guys but just for logics sake...

What would Hartnell be this year without Giroux on his line?
What about Michalek without Spezza?
Lucic without Krejci?

Its not all muscle in this game, you've got to have skill. And skill wise none of those prospects come even close to Kadri. Sure you can crash the net and bang pucks in, but how can you do that without having a guy to get you the puck in the first place?
We are talking about Kadri....right? The same Kadri that can't crack our line up and stay. The same Kadri that has put up a whopping 6 points in 19 games this year? The same Kadri that put up 12 points in 29 games last year? The same Kadri that was branded a sook by Wilson?

Sorry, not seeing it. He may end up being a career AHLer. Time will tell. I wouldnt bet the farm on him if I was you.

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Ashton is Tampa Bay's #1 ranked prospect in THN's Future Watch 2012. He's 37th overall which would put him number 2 on Toronto's list, after Joe Colborne (18th).
Is Kadri still eligible for that stuff?

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I'm not sure how people rate Frattin so low, he is currently with the Leafs and so is Gardiner and Kadri has been up and down a few times other call ups were Colbourne, Holzer and Scrivens.

Gardiner
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Is Kadri still eligible for that stuff?
He was in the NHL at the time the magazine was being worked on, so he was left off the list.

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