Problem with the salaries is Helm and Abdelkader will get raises. $1.5 for Abby, $2.0 for Helm I'm thinking
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($6.200m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.512m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Travis Moen ($1.550m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.950m) / Drew Miller ($0.837m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.125m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,380,044; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,919,956
FORWARDS
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($3.500m)
Drew Miller ($0.837m) / Darren Helm ($2.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.750m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.875m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($2.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Yann Danis ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,579,166; BONUSES: $275,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$279,166
- Outgoing: Franzen, Cleary, Holmstrom, Emmerton, and Ericsson
- Incoming: Parise, Suter, and Danis
- Called up: Nyquist, Andersson
- Re-signed to raises: Hudler, Abdelkader and Helm
- Quincey taking a paycut (after the QO)
It'd be tight, depending on how much the cap moves next season, and there's still a roster spot open...
Last edited by RedMenace: 02-28-2012 at 09:53 AM.
Reason: Forgot about Emmerton...
Your 2012-13 Detroit Red Wings - with starting line-ups
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($3.200m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m) / Darren Helm ($2.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Drew Miller ($0.837m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.200m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,842,044; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,457,956
Your 2012-13 Detroit Red Wings - with starting line-ups
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($3.200m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m) / Darren Helm ($2.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Drew Miller ($0.837m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.200m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,842,044; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,457,956
... and that's likely the reality of it, right there.
Sad reality... 3.5M in capspace they won't use either, hahaha.
Although Lidstrom is more of a 5M dman now. He doesn't even score points this season, this year will be his worst or second worst season in his career as far as scoring.
Your 2012-13 Detroit Red Wings - with starting line-ups
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($3.200m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m) / Darren Helm ($2.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Drew Miller ($0.837m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.200m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,842,044; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,457,956
^This.
Maybe add a 2nd tier UFA in there somewhere.
As much I want/hope we get even one of Parise or Suter, this is the most realistic outcome. I think I even posted something similar to the above in another thread.
As much I want/hope we get even one of Parise or Suter, this is the most realistic outcome. I think I even posted something similar to the above in another thread.
As much I want/hope we get even one of Parise or Suter, this is the most realistic outcome. I think I even posted something similar to the above in another thread.
And riots will ensue.
It's really not a bad team, though, and that's the worst case scenario regarding whether or not we bring in any outside help. My only gripe will be that Nyquist should have a bigger role.
I know 2013 is far away, and a lot of the big names will be re-signed by then, but that UFA pool looks very deep regardless. I could live with retooling this offseason, and making a big splash in 2013. Once again, it depends on how many get re-signed.
FORWARDS
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($6.200m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Darren Helm ($1.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.866m) / Jay McClement ($1.750m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.250m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Martin Biron ($0.955m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,713,295; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,586,705
How to make a Cup Contender out of the 2012 UFA List (barring the wrath of the near all-mighty injury bug), for relatively cheap if the Cap goes up by what is expected.
Possible 2012-13 roster if cap stays the same and Lids also stays.
Quote:
FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($4.550m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.995m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.366m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.450m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($0.850m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,953,295; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $2,346,705
"Realistic" dream 2012-13 roster cap if cap goes up to $68 million. (Assuming Parise/Suter aren't moved)
Quote:
FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($4.550m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.995m)
Dustin Brown ($3.175m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.366m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.450m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($0.850m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,594,962; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,705,038
So, do we suppose somebody is gonna get traded to clear some roster space to make any moves? Anyone?
I imagine Cleary will be moved with a prospect/pick for something. I hope it's Cleary + picks for someone's rights or prospect + pick for Dustin Brown. Rumors that Kings would trade Brown and make a hard push for Parise in the summer. 2 more years at 3.125 doesn't sound bad to me.
I imagine Cleary will be moved with a prospect/pick for something. I hope it's Cleary + picks for someone's rights or prospect + pick for Dustin Brown. Rumors that Kings would trade Brown and make a hard push for Parise in the summer. 2 more years at 3.125 doesn't sound bad to me.
That's my feeling too. But i'd rather just trade Cleary for picks so as not to clog up more roster space.
I see Hudler getting re-signed, or they will at least try to. Smith, Nyquist and the other promising prospects have a few years left on their entry-level deals. Helm is a RFA and will not be getting a big contract. Filppula's current contract stretches over next season. The Abdelkader/Quincey $ will remain about the same with their new deals. Eventual free agent signings will be covered by our cap space, Homer and Lidstrom(hopefully not next season though). So we're not in need to get Hudler off the books for next season nor would we get any better by doing so.
I can see Kenny stretching as far as up to $4M/yr on a 2yr deal, or $3.5-7M/yr for 3yrs. In a perfect world, a $3-3.5M/yr for 2yrs would be ideal. Next year is no problem anyway you slice it, and the second year of the contract would be covered by Cleary coming off the books and potentially the cap ceiling going up. So it wouldn't interfere with Filppula/Smith/Nyquist/Howard getting new deals.
However, I'm afraid Hudler will be looking for terms. With the recent contracts out there and this year's production from him, Hudler could get ~$4M with decent terms on the market. If he prices himself out of Detroit I won't shed any tears but I hope we can keep him for another year or two. It wouldn't be a shocker if he does, seeing as this could be his last chance to cash in.
I see Hudler getting re-signed, or they will at least try to. Smith, Nyquist and the other promising prospects have a few years left on their entry-level deals. Helm is a RFA and will not be getting a big contract. Filppula's current contract stretches over next season. The Abdelkader/Quincey $ will remain about the same with their new deals. Eventual free agent signings will be covered by our cap space, Homer and Lidstrom(hopefully not next season though). So we're not in need to get Hudler off the books for next season nor would we get any better by doing so.
I can see Kenny stretching as far as up to $4M/yr on a 2yr deal, or $3.5-7M/yr for 3yrs. In a perfect world, a $3-3.5M/yr for 2yrs would be ideal. Next year is no problem anyway you slice it, and the second year of the contract would be covered by Cleary coming off the books and potentially the cap ceiling going up. So it wouldn't interfere with Filppula/Smith/Nyquist/Howard getting new deals.
However, I'm afraid Hudler will be looking for terms. With the recent contracts out there and this year's production from him, Hudler could get ~$4M with decent terms on the market. If he prices himself out of Detroit I won't shed any tears but I hope we can keep him for another year or two. It wouldn't be a shocker if he does, seeing as this could be his last chance to cash in.
I don't want Hudler unless he signs a very cheap deal.
Not because he is a bad player but I think we need a different type of top 6 player (we have enough play makers)
Flip - Z - Franzen
Bert - D - Semin/Parise/Nyquist
I don't want Hudler unless he signs a very cheap deal.
Not because he is a bad player but I think we need a different type of top 6 player (we have enough play makers)
Flip - Z - Franzen
Bert - D - Semin/Parise/Nyquist
Plan A. Parise
Plan B. Semin
Plan C. Nyquist
With Plan C, we wouldn't take on any salary and it would be better to try to re-sign Hudler to a one-year deal. Hudler playing on the 3rd line is better than unused cap space. He could also be a solid dangle at the deadline to get some sort of return. And with the inevitable injuries to top6 players during the season, he'd be a legit plugger.
What's the salary cap going to look like next year? I read somewhere that it would be $60M, is that true?
It could go up this summer but then in the new upcoming CBA it can go down, by a lot too.. so teams will probably be careful this summer.
I don't know the whole economic part but the NHL will want more money and less money to the players, the players get 58% or something like that, the NHL want it closer to 50 like the NBA and NFL.
