Here is a very interesting & telling stat I thought I might bring up.
It shows PPG at even strength (or shorthanded) and omits the the struggling Flowerplay
Quite surprising results I must say:
Here is a very interesting & telling stat I thought I might bring up.
It shows PPG at even strength (or shorthanded) and omits the the struggling Flowerplay
Quite surprising results I must say:
EVEN STRENGTH STATS AFTER 61 GAMES
Player
GP
ES/SH Points
PPG
Avg min/g
PP/60 Min icetime
Carl Hagelin
43
27
0,63
13,50
2,79
Marian Gaborik
61
38
0,62
15,68
2,38
Ryan Callahan
61
33
0,54
15,42
2,11
Derek Stepan
61
29
0,48
14,48
1,97
Artem Anisimov
60
28
0,47
12,68
2,21
Brad Richards
61
27
0,44
15,90
1,67
Brandon Dubinsky
58
24
0,41
13,45
1,85
Michael Del Zotto
61
22
0,36
17,18
1,26
Ryan McDonagh
61
21
0,34
21,35
0,97
Anton Stralman
38
10
0,26
15,60
1,01
John Mitchell
43
11
0,26
10,10
1,52
Brian Boyle
61
15
0,25
12,55
1,18
Jeff Woywitka
26
6
0,23
10,20
1,36
Brandon Prust
61
14
0,23
10,32
1,33
Ruslan Fedotenko
54
12
0,22
12,15
1,10
Dan Girardi
61
13
0,21
21,70
0,59
Stu Bickel
30
6
0,20
8,67
1,38
Sean Avery
15
3
0,20
6,98
1,72
Michael Sauer
19
3
0,16
16,60
0,57
Mike Rupp
39
5
0,13
6,42
1,20
Marc Staal
25
3
0,12
16,97
0,42
Andre Deveaux
9
1
0,11
5,20
1,28
Steve Eminger
37
4
0,11
12,00
0,54
Tim Erixon
13
0
0,00
12,45
0,00
Mats Zuccarello
3
0
0,00
6,32
0,00
Brendan Bell
1
0
0,00
11,43
0,00
Kris Newbury
7
0
0,00
5,48
0,00
Thoughts?
Initial thought is that the numbers are slightly off since you include SH points while excluding SH TOI/game.
Hags is nevertheless the runaway team leader in ESP/60 mins with 2.584 which puts him ~20th in the league alongside guys like Seguin and St: Louis.
The only guys from the Atlantic division that score more than him at ES are Malkin and Giroux.
Interesting stuff for sure. The kid was made for this team. I admit that I didn't think that his offensive game was going to translate to the NHL, but he's definitely proving me wrong.
I am probably most surprised at his excellent board work. In college all I saw was a massive amount of speed that he used to create chances but he is excellent along the boards and winning strength battles. He looks like another Callahan almost to a 'T'.
Hags is this years zuccarello; young,fresh, exciting and hungry....
It's next season that counts....
No he isn't. Hagelin has the smarts and speed to be an effective player on any line on the team and be an effective and productive player even if he isn't scoring. You can't say that about Zuccarello.
No he isn't. Hagelin has the smarts and speed to be an effective player on any line on the team and be an effective and productive player even if he isn't scoring. You can't say that about Zuccarello.
This.
Hagelin is adeqaute along the boards, Zucc isn't.
Hagelin has the speed to create space for himself, Zucc doesn't.
Hagelin can win puck battles with NHL players, Zucc can't.
In terms of pure skill Zucc > Hagelin. Skill doesn't mean anything if you can't get open chances. Zucc has neither the strength or speed to create chances in the NHL, which is why, despite having a very high skill level, he will never succeed in our system, which emphasizes forchecking, winning puck battles, and transition offense.
In a different system, Zucc might be able to excel. Hagelin is excelling. Hagelin's game is sustainable within our system, Zucc's is not. To act like Hagelin is in any way comparable to Zucc is pure fallacy.
I am probably most surprised at his excellent board work. In college all I saw was a massive amount of speed that he used to create chances but he is excellent along the boards and winning strength battles. He looks like another Callahan almost to a 'T'.
Totally agree with that. Really surprised over the season he's having!
Am I the only one who didn't interpret that post as "Hagelin is the same player as MZA?" Seems to me like he was comparing the fact that they both few under the radar and then came up and had a big impact on the team mid-season.
This board is like a giant game of whack-a-mole. Except instead of moles, we have posters bringing up MZA's positive qualities.
No I didn't take it as "Hagelin is the same player as MZA" I took it as he's this years MZA as in shiny new toy...but it's hard not to start comparing
What has struck me most with Hags is that most of the goals he 's scored have not been of the slick/skill variety. He's just used his speed or put himself around the net.
Most importantly he never stops moving.
I can't wait to see what happens when he feels a bit more comfortable and is able to think the game a bit less.....and just go.
I can't wait to see what happens when he feels a bit more comfortable and is able to think the game a bit less.....and just go.
Looking like a major late round steal right now.
It does. I look forward to what happens to him when he fills out his body more and gains a little more size. Hopefully that will not detract from his speed.
The last two goals he had were either a bad mistake by the goalie or a bit fluky. I wonder if he has the skill to be a consistent 20 goal scorer. A couple of times he scored on a very nice shot but I feel like we don't see it enough.
It does. I look forward to what happens to him when he fills out his body more and gains a little more size. Hopefully that will not detract from his speed.
I see Jere Lehtinen when I see him play. Maybe not as good defensively, but he's very close. Hagelin could easily score 50-60 points while playing a great two-way game just like JL used to do.
Who is more skilled at this point of his career? Hagelin or Callahan? Cally would probably have hit 30 last year and is on pace for another 30 this year. ho would have thought he'd be a 30 goal scorer?
Hagelin is now 17th in the league in ESP/60 min. He has almost caught Henrik Sedin as the #1 Swede.
He his scoring more than D. Sedin, Loui Eriksson, Zetterberg, Alfredsson, Bäckström etc. etc.
I look at his underlying statistics and the way he impacts the team when he's on the ice, and I have a hard time not seeing him as a deserving Calder nominee.
His scoring pace would put him at about 50 points over the course of an 82 game season. Not too shabby!
That being said, he'll likely assume a 3rd line role once we have some more top-6 depth up front so I would peg his projected point production at closer to the 40-45 point range moving forward in the coming years.
His scoring pace would put him at about 50 points over the course of an 82 game season. Not too shabby!
That being said, he'll likely assume a 3rd line role once we have some more top-6 depth up front so I would peg his projected point production at closer to the 40-45 point range moving forward in the coming years.
Considering it's all at ES/SH it's extremely impressive. 50 ES points is elite 1st line numbers. Claude Giroux had 50 ES points last year for 12th place in the league.
