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02-28-2012, 02:50 PM
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Hopefully Kassian can make room for others to score. We didn't have anyone like that healthy last year. I guess we can only wait and see.

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02-28-2012, 02:52 PM
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Also, Kassian is a right hand shooter this could be a fit for the Sedins and we can have a 6'4 225lb player there who will **** kick anyone who crosses the line and has skill to cash in.

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02-28-2012, 03:02 PM
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Expectations being what exactly? like being the highest scorer for his age in the AHL? those kind of expectations? Listen, we don't currently have a spot for him in our top 6 thus, he's in the AHL developing just fine. I don't know what it is with people around here and crapping all over the Leafs, especially Canucks fans, but it's pathetic. A 21 year old playing in the AHL? that's a shock! I've never heard of that.
I appreciate the fact that you made up a stat to prove your point but I wouldnt expect less from a Leafs fan. Sorry to burst your bubble but Kadri isnt the highest scorer in the AHL for his age there are several players from his draft year that have more points them. And if you want to use the excuse that Kadri has played alot less games then those players you could also look at Kassian who has the same number of points as Kadri with 3 less games played.

PS Kadri isnt worth anything close to Hodgson.

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02-28-2012, 03:08 PM
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I think Hodgson's mumbers will improve purely based on playing with more talented wingers. He's going from Raymond, Higgins, and Hanson to Vanek, Pominville, and Leino.

I also don't buy the 3rd pairing defense partners arguments. Obviously he did see a lot of them, but it doesn't work out so that's all he played against. He obviously saw some time against other teams top pairings and lines. No one can line match up that well. I think he'll be fine.
IMO - the other big difference will be from getting 12 minutes to probably 17 minutes, with some additional PP time as well. That will obviously be a change, but after he adjusts that's a lot more opportunity to put up points.

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02-28-2012, 03:20 PM
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Yes Kadri and Hodgson have both taken similar paths. What I was trying to say is that Leafs fans' somewhat unrealistic expectation that he would be an impact player on the big club leads to the notion that he hasn't lived up to expectations. I expect he will make the big club next season and perform admirably. That said, there's still no way Gillis would have traded Hodgson for a similar player who's further behind in his development, regardless of how high that 2nd round pick is. I hope that makes sense to you.

If you don't want to see people 'bashing' the Leafs then you can't post on these boards. The large nature of the fanbase will lead to an increased number of poorly thought out posts, which other members will respond to. As a Canucks fan I can sympathize with you there.



You wouldn't have traded your 2012 1st for Hodgson?



This is what scares me. If our fans/media expect Kassian to come in and play better than Cody right away then it's setting expectations WAY too high. I wish we had the type of media that just let our prospects develop at their own pace.



Kadri's not worthless. He's just a similar player to Cody but behind in development. There would be no impetus to make that trade.



Agreed on both. Especially Drury and Hodgson. I just hope you can find a defensively minded top 6 center to matchup against other top lines, as Cody is nowhere near ready for that.
I meant i would trade any prospect (except Gardiner) as well as the 1st.

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02-28-2012, 03:25 PM
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When I heard of the deal, and TSN mentioned the deal wasn't done and the Canucks have also gotten a puck moving defenceman I honestly thought of Leopold. I thought Hodgson, Sulzer/Alberts for Kassian, Leopold would've been ideal, but then again I'm a homer, and loved Hodgson for all the goals he scored when the chips were down.
Leoplod has another $3M coming to him next year. Pass.
Even Myers wouldve been tough to fit with his $5.5 long term ...means buhbye Edler next year. MAG is entry level RFA and Kassian will be making $800K for the next 2 years. Means next summer, hello Shea.

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02-28-2012, 03:36 PM
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This just shows that GMs never knew he was available, Hodgson should have gotten more
I didn't know StreetSharks was Doug Wilson.

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02-28-2012, 03:51 PM
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Leoplod has another $3M coming to him next year. Pass.
Even Myers wouldve been tough to fit with his $5.5 long term ...means buhbye Edler next year. MAG is entry level RFA and Kassian will be making $800K for the next 2 years. Means next summer, hello Shea.
Gonna spend all 8 million of your cap space on Shea Weber? That's very prudent cap management.

Or neglect the fact that the summer after, most of your $21 million in space will go to raises.


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02-28-2012, 04:26 PM
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The Canucks didn't trade Hodgson so much as they traded for Kassian. Sure, they could have shopped CoHo and maybe got more in assets but that wasn't what they were after. Gillis identified the guy he was after and reluctantly (imo) traded Hodgson to get him.

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02-29-2012, 01:11 AM
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I would like to think we had an asset or two that could have gotten Cody but I don't think we had any to offer. Schenn and a first may have been enough but it still leaves them without the power forward they got. I believe Hodgson will be a 75 pt first line center with Buffalo. Burke overvalues our prospects as do the Leafs fans, especially on here.

Very. VERY wishful thinking.

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02-29-2012, 01:12 AM
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Gonna spend all 8 million of your cap space on Shea Weber? That's very prudent cap management.

Or neglect the fact that the summer after, most of your $21 million in space will go to raises.
Wait you mean the canucks arent getting shea weber!?!?!?!!??!???!?!?!


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02-29-2012, 01:19 AM
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Yea, I think a rational, reasonable expectation for CoHo is 2nd line center who gets 55-60 pts. a season. Speaking for myself, I will be quite happy with that! Any more would be awesome. Any less would be disappointing. I think some fans like to set themselves up for disappointment and regret by expecting more from some players.

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02-29-2012, 02:07 AM
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Yea, I think a rational, reasonable expectation for CoHo is 2nd line center who gets 55-60 pts. a season. Speaking for myself, I will be quite happy with that! Any more would be awesome. Any less would be disappointing. I think some fans like to set themselves up for disappointment and regret by expecting more from some players.
I will bet money Hodgson will have atleast one 40 goal season and will be a 80-90point player in his prime. A 2nd line center with 55-60 points is not a reasonable expectation and is way too low. The only way he becomes such a player is if he suffers some sort of debilitating injury. Enjoy him because he is your teams future number 1 center. Kassian on the other hand looked pretty good in his first game, he is no Hodgson but Hodgson is no Kassian. It would seem that this trade could work well for both teams.


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Let's just say, the Sabres won that deal.

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Let's just say, the Sabres won that deal.
Agreed

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Yea, I think a rational, reasonable expectation for CoHo is 2nd line center who gets 55-60 pts. a season. Speaking for myself, I will be quite happy with that! Any more would be awesome. Any less would be disappointing. I think some fans like to set themselves up for disappointment and regret by expecting more from some players.
It all depends on the minutes he gets.
If he gets top line minutes, and a guy like RJ Umberger can crack the 50 point mark, year after year, then I dont think its out of reason to think CoHo can put up similar numbers to a guy like Derek Roy.

He wont ever crack the 90 point mark, but I think its fair to say he may hit 80 on a career year, and that 65-70 is in sight if he gets top line minutes.

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02-29-2012, 02:13 AM
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Let's just say, the Sabres won that deal.
Unless the Canucks win the cup and Kassian is a contributor.

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02-29-2012, 02:18 AM
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Let's just say, the Sabres won that deal.
Cody hasnt proven he can play top 6 minutes. He has played against garbage 3rd pairings.

His skating should still be considered questionable.

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02-29-2012, 02:22 AM
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Cody hasnt proven he can play top 6 minutes. He has played against garbage 3rd pairings.

His skating should still be considered questionable.
Kassian hasn't proven... anything.

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Kassian hasn't proven... anything.
So because he hasnt proven anything the sabres won the deal?

Zacks skating and strength is better than Cody's. Isnt that a concern for a top 6 smallish center?

26 pts in 30 games in the AHL . Cody never had those numbers in the AHL.

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Hodgson for JVR at the draft

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Leoplod has another $3M coming to him next year. Pass.
Even Myers wouldve been tough to fit with his $5.5 long term ...means buhbye Edler next year. MAG is entry level RFA and Kassian will be making $800K for the next 2 years. Means next summer, hello Shea.
If you want weber, but can't afford Myers @ 5.5 then your idea pretty much backfired.

Leopold is a solid top 4 defenceman that has a great first pass. Someone mentioned that he's the third highest scoring defenceman 5 on 5. That's something the Canucks lack and seems to hit the Sedins with Ehrhoffs departure. I think at 3 million he's a steal. Expecially when you consider Ballard getting 4.2 and other similar player Gilbert making 4. Anyways what's done is done.

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Let's just say, the Sabres won that deal.
Too early to tell right now. We'll find out in the next couple years though as you will know if a PWF will bust or not by then IMO.

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I think in a second line role (in Buffalo) Cody is a 50 point calibre player NOW.

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I almost wish I could go back in time and make this thread just to see the responses:


Title: Proposal: Buf and Van

To Buffalo - Hodgson

To Vancouver - Kassian

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02-29-2012, 06:32 AM
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I almost wish I could go back in time and make this thread just to see the responses:


Title: Proposal: Buf and Van

To Buffalo - Hodgson

To Vancouver - Kassian
If the response from Van fans to this on message boards and blowing up the local radio phone lines is any indication I have a pretty good idea of what the response would have been.

Funny though fans knowledge and expectations are rarely inline with those in the know.

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