I haven't watched a lot of Ovie the last couple of years but the fact that his stats are dropping at an alarming rate makes me wonder if he hasn't peaked. It happens, look at Danny Heatley.
Everyone has a 'best year' and i'm willing to bet that OV has had his. It is doubtful he repeats the 65 goals. He may score 50 again.. probably will, maybe twice.
but i can't get that commercial he was in out of my mind (the one he was throwing the football in). the guy has a bit of a ponch. 27 year old pro athlete with a ponch??? in 2012?? somethings a bit off.
2005-06 NHL Calder Memorial Trophy 2007-08 NHL Art Ross Trophy 2007-08 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy 2007-08 NHL Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy 2007-08 NHL Lester B. Pearson Trophy
4 time 50 + goal scorer. (65 career high)
bit of a gap forming. what was that song by Janet Jackson?
OV is by far the better talent; heck, he's better than everyone. but, he seems to be missing something. He's the Alex Rodrigues of Hockey. you guys should know that talent isn't everything; if it was, Russia would win the Olympics everytime, but, oddly they have fewest medals since the pros have been going (1 silver). Finland, Sweden, Czech, USA and Canada all have more, and the Slovaks faired better in 2010.
would you rather have OV or Toews? Im taking the conne smithe/olympic MVP thank you very much. Hall hasn't done what Toews has, either, but he has some of his qualities.
ten years ago, who would you rather have Kovelchuk or Iginla? neither had proven anything, yet. Kovi still hasn't, but Iggy has.
from this point forward, who do you think raises the cup over his head first? Hall or OV? or even plays in the SC final?
my money's on Hall. and I'm not trading Hall for OV. now, if your talking Malkin? different story.
Ovechkin looks fat. I think it is clear the guy is not in top shape. Can he return to form? No doubt, but his lack of commitment is a major red flag.
Wow. I'm surprised there's actually a debate about this.
Hall is second fiddle on this team to RNH. Heck, he's currently the second best LW on this team after Smyth.
Ovechkin would easily be the best forward on this team, and win a few more Rocket Richards, Harts, and possibly Art ross. You guys are completely mental if you think Hall > Ovechkin. Ovechkin would immediately make this team a playoff threat, and all the players would take notice, and want to sign here because of him. (Especially the russians).
Would make that trade in a heartbeat, and gladly throw in Omark, Gagner, MPS, Strippers, and Blow.
heh very old post. definitely changed my tune about that.
As for Ovie. If he were making Hall's salary there would be absolutely no question he is more valuable. Even now.
But yeah, Ovie seemed to really have lost his explosiveness. There was a time when he looked like a cannonball. He was often referred to as a raging bull storming across the ice THROUGH players. Maybe his body is too banged up to keep up with that style of play.
He had 1-move that he continually did. Cross to the middle, use the D- as a screen and shoot through them. Now defenders are just much more aware of THAT move and have been easily defending it now (ever since Hal Gill completely neutralized him in the playoffs 2 seasons ago). He hasn't been able to really adapt, or figure out how to beat defenders 1-on-1 anymore.
He still has all those other dimensions to his game, but the rate he uses that one move has dropped significantly. I would say roughly 25-30 goals a season came from that one move.
Anyways Ovechkin IS a better player than Hall. Hall is just a better fit for the Oilers. Ovechkin also has a silly salary hit.
I wouldn't give that much up for malkin, especially with how high our first rounders have been. What sucks is we are straight playing ourselves out of the top 2. Anyways I jus started this debate cause my buddy was being a ****** callin me an idiot, but now people are realizing. Not saying ovi sucks. But something has changed ever since the Montreal series he is not the dominant player he was, maybe his game got predictable. Who know, but when ur gm calls out ur work ethic it's not a good sign, maybe he will turn it around.
I wouldn't give that much up for malkin, especially with how high our first rounders have been. What sucks is we are straight playing ourselves out of the top 2. Anyways I jus started this debate cause my buddy was being a ****** callin me an idiot, but now people are realizing. Not saying ovi sucks. But something has changed ever since the Montreal series he is not the dominant player he was, maybe his game got predictable. Who know, but when ur gm calls out ur work ethic it's not a good sign, maybe he will turn it around.
See When I quit watching games because I'm disgusted at the oilers playing like crap and management not doing anything, I'm told I'm not a real fan.
but how is it being a real fan when the oilers play well and you're sad about that because you want another high draft pick.
I don't get it.
anyway back to the bumped thread. If Washington called and offered Ovi for Hall straight up, I'd still make the deal. my opinion, but I think Ovi will turn it around and again be a top player in the game.
Ovi has more talent, Hall's drive and attitude make him the better choice. Ovi will never be as good as he was. Hall is going to keep improving because he simply wants it more than anyone
I wouldn't give that much up for malkin, especially with how high our first rounders have been. What sucks is we are straight playing ourselves out of the top 2. Anyways I jus started this debate cause my buddy was being a ****** callin me an idiot, but now people are realizing. Not saying ovi sucks. But something has changed ever since the Montreal series he is not the dominant player he was, maybe his game got predictable. Who know, but when ur gm calls out ur work ethic it's not a good sign, maybe he will turn it around.
Yes you do give that up for Malkin, because after you get him your now picking in the 20-30 range not the 1-2 range.
Yes you do give that up for Malkin, because after you get him your now picking in the 20-30 range not the 1-2 range.
Then Malkin gets hurt... The Oilers' fans should stop dreaming and be happy with the team we have. Hall, RNH and Eberle are exciting players who will be stars in the league.
I would choose hall because of the kids heart and desire.
Especially after i hear about him trying to get back into that game where he got cut by potters skate, you can't teach or coach that into a guy, he either has it or doesn't and Hall has it in spades.
Last edited by SilverHaireDevil: 02-27-2012 at 01:52 AM.
Yes you do give that up for Malkin, because after you get him your now picking in the 20-30 range not the 1-2 range.
Not with the Habby-Dooby combo in net your not....funny how people change their minds when he is having a good year, but would you have said this last year about Malkin after his 2nd straight terrible season? Do you honestly think Malkin by himself could turn this team around? No way that happens, i cant believe how many people would even consider trading Hall for Gino or Ovi, and i'm a huge fan of Ovi, but he is 5 years older than Hall, so of course he is the better player right now (well, at least he's more developed, not so sure he's the better player right now). Give Hall a few years and you will see who the better player is.
