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02-28-2012, 04:52 PM
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I just stepped into a thread that had

Suter Weber
Kimo Pronger
Mesz Grossman

"I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore"
Potentially 4 hof on the blueline. Ill take it.

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02-28-2012, 04:55 PM
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Potentially 4 hof on the blueline. Ill take it.
Yeah..so would 30/30 teams in the league..

but are all philly threads this delusional!?

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02-28-2012, 05:01 PM
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Ummm what? Link?
If the rules stay the same, that is the expected cap. That of course, ignores that the NFL and NBA just settled at 5-7 points BELOW what the NHL players get.

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02-28-2012, 05:09 PM
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Well, things don't look good for next season.

I think the best case scenario will be:

Timonen Coburn
Grossman Meszaros
Kubina Bourdon
Gustafsson

Carle will end up somewhere else. I don't see the Flyers signing Suter or Weber because a ton of cap money is going to go into:

-Resigning Jagr (I imagine he'll want at least $3 million.)
-Resigning Voracek (Another $2-3 million)
-Resigning Grossman (We need his style of defense, easily $3 million)
-Resigning Kubina (Hopefully he'll take a paycut down to $3 million or less)
-Possibility of Chris Pronger returning/retiring and receiving his full cap hit.
-Possibility that the Flyers try to trade Bobrovsky and his small salary and pick up another goalie with a bigger salary (if Bryzgalov plays awful for the rest of this season/playoffs).

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FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.500m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.900m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Pavel Kubina ($3.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($3.000m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,675,873; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$5,375,873
Even with Pronger on LTIR for the full season they are still over the cap.

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02-28-2012, 05:14 PM
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If the rules stay the same, that is the expected cap. That of course, ignores that the NFL and NBA just settled at 5-7 points BELOW what the NHL players get.
I thought a lot of cap floor teams can't afford the cap increase because the floor increases as well? How can they keep pushing it up?

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02-28-2012, 05:16 PM
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i dont think Jag's comes back next year..

i think hes showing his age (prone to injury/ looking tired/reserved so he doesnt reinjure).. for the team to offer him another season..

not to say im not happy with him, i think he has been awesome, but i just think hes to long in the tooth now. and a nother full season might be more then he can muster.. esp. if we by some miracle go deep in the PO this season..

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02-28-2012, 05:27 PM
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i dont think Jag's comes back next year..

i think hes showing his age (prone to injury/ looking tired/reserved so he doesnt reinjure).. for the team to offer him another season..

not to say im not happy with him, i think he has been awesome, but i just think hes to long in the tooth now. and a nother full season might be more then he can muster.. esp. if we by some miracle go deep in the PO this season..
Really? I was almost certain he will be staying because:

-He has stated multiple times he would be happy to return.
-He's been somewhat of a fan favorite.
-Arguments about locker room presence/leadership/experience.
-The organization might see some benefit to having him retire as a Flyer.

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02-28-2012, 05:37 PM
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I think this line-up is a realistic possibilitly if we go hard for Suter.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.250m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.625m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.960m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,731,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $323,056
I made a small increase on the cap.. 2 million dollars. It can go up more or it actually can go down. I have a feeling though since we just had that TV deal, and I heard Bettman say the league will break records for revenue again this year, it will increase.

Hopefully the CBA is settles peacefully, but everyone thinks it will be a struggle.

This is also with a full roster of 23 players

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02-28-2012, 05:40 PM
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Well, things don't look good for next season.

I think the best case scenario will be:

Timonen Coburn
Grossman Meszaros
Kubina Bourdon
Gustafsson

Carle will end up somewhere else. I don't see the Flyers signing Suter or Weber because a ton of cap money is going to go into:

-Resigning Jagr (I imagine he'll want at least $3 million.)
-Resigning Voracek (Another $2-3 million)
-Resigning Grossman (We need his style of defense, easily $3 million)
-Resigning Kubina (Hopefully he'll take a paycut down to $3 million or less)
-Possibility of Chris Pronger returning/retiring and receiving his full cap hit.
-Possibility that the Flyers try to trade Bobrovsky and his small salary and pick up another goalie with a bigger salary (if Bryzgalov plays awful for the rest of this season/playoffs).

Even with Pronger on LTIR for the full season they are still over the cap.

It's not a best case scenario because you kept the cap at $64.3 M.

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02-28-2012, 05:45 PM
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It's not a best case scenario because you kept the cap at $64.3 M.
Well, given that many people believe the cap will actually decrease, and the fact that my scenario is still already over cap by nearly $1 million (if Pronger doesn't return or retire), it's probably realistic.

If Bobrovsky gets traded I imagine they'll try to sign Vokoun or Nabokov and I don't know whether they'll receive a higher salary than Bobrovsky.

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02-28-2012, 05:47 PM
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I am not sure why everyone is giving Voracek such a raise? He is on pace to score his regular 46pts. Unless he does something dramatic in playoffs he should get his 10% raise.

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02-28-2012, 06:00 PM
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I am not sure why everyone is giving Voracek such a raise? He is on pace to score his regular 46pts. Unless he does something dramatic in playoffs he should get his 10% raise.
i could see him getting around 8.5 or 9 million for three years. Maybe something like 2.6, 2.9, 3.3= 2.93 cap hit. I think that would be a decent deal IMO


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02-28-2012, 06:01 PM
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I am not sure why everyone is giving Voracek such a raise? He is on pace to score his regular 46pts. Unless he does something dramatic in playoffs he should get his 10% raise.
Well, people value him based on his potential. I think people assume given more time on a higher line he could break out.

I could easily see other teams offering more than a 10% raise.

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02-28-2012, 06:10 PM
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[/QUOTE] We already valued JVR based on his potential. Well, people value him based on his potential. I think people assume given more time on a higher line he could break out.[/QUOTE] We already valued JVR based on his potential. Waiting for results of that signing.
Voracek could break out or he just could stay the same. After all his numbers did not increase on the best o-sive team in the NHL.

[/QUOTE] We already valued JVR based on his potential. I could easily see other teams offering more than a 10% raise.[/QUOTE] If teams will sign him to an offer sheet offering over 20% 30%, we will match it. No big deal. I doubt teams line up to overpay for Voracek.

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02-28-2012, 06:12 PM
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Well, people value him based on his potential. I think people assume given more time on a higher line he could break out.

I could easily see other teams offering more than a 10% raise.
Also I think his board work, speed and somewhat two-way style does help. I'd love to keep him. Also, I think he's an RFA so we still have his rights.

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02-28-2012, 06:20 PM
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Voracek could break out or he just could stay the same. After all his numbers did not increase on the best o-sive team in the NHL.
Actually, playing on a team that is offensively stacked should decrease an individual player's scoring stats because they are sharing time with many other scoring players.

Also, he has been bumped around on various line combinations.

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Actually, playing on a team that is offensively stacked should decrease an individual player's scoring stats because they are sharing time with many other scoring players.
He plays with talented players. You constantly see him on PP. Almost every forward averaging 16-17min of ice time with exception of Claude. Voracek has talent but he also cannot finish. Until he does we should not make him a significant offer.
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Also, he has been bumped around on various line combinations.
So? So is everyone. Big deal.

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Is Seattle a big hockey area? (Not arguing, I have no knowledge about the Pacific Northwest...)
Good for niche sports. They typically blow away the rest of the league in MLS attendance, for what that's worth. Plus the NHL could benefit from another west coast team, especially one within a couple hours from Vancouver to build a rivalry.

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Good for niche sports. They typically blow away the rest of the league in MLS attendance, for what that's worth. Plus the NHL could benefit from another west coast team, especially one within a couple hours from Vancouver to build a rivalry.
A team in Seattle has the potential to be a serious boon for the league, especially if it can experience some early success.

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Homer should knock off $100,000 Carle's next contract each time he flubs a pass or shot, shoots into an opponents pads, or turns the puck over in his own zone. Starting at $5m/y

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For a while I thought it might be okay if we re-sign him to a reasonable deal.

Weak wrists tonight was too much.

Get a decent shot on net and give our guys a chance to bang home the junk...or as mean as it sounds, tee off a shot and make whoever is blocking it think twice about blocking the next one.

I swear his shots are like tossing a beachball at someone underhand.

Which is funny, because that's what it's like when he turns it over too.

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For a while I thought it might be okay if we re-sign him to a reasonable deal.

Weak wrists tonight was too much.

Get a decent shot on net and give our guys a chance to bang home the junk...or as mean as it sounds, tee off a shot and make whoever is blocking it think twice about blocking the next one.

I swear his shots are like tossing a beachball at someone underhand.

Which is funny, because that's what it's like when he turns it over too.
Can you imagine if we sign him to something long term, worth more than $5m/year, and he keeps playing like this? He'll get absolutely destroyed, worse than Bryz does. He may not be able to go out in this town...

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What's sad is, my wrist shot might actually be better and I've never played competitive hockey really. I used to practice a hockey ball and stick against a cement wall at the time.

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We should try to lock down Kubina. He really reminds me of pronger light.

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Homer should knock off $100,000 Carle's next contract each time he flubs a pass or shot, shoots into an opponents pads, or turns the puck over in his own zone. Starting at $5m/y
He'll end up playing for free.

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