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02-28-2012, 07:56 PM
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Going into the playoffs: Are you comfortable with Brian Boyle?

I should preface this thread by saying: I like Brian Boyle. I think he is probably a nice guy, he works incredibly hard, and his teammates all seem to like him.

But going into the playoffs, do you guys feel uncomfortable with him as our third line center? Considering that Tortorella loves to roll three lines and play them interchangeably; is Boyle a strong enough center to be effective in the playoffs? Personally, I just don't see it.

I've always thought of him being a better fit as a 4th line winger (getting seven minutes a night), then as a shutdown defensive center. I think his general lack of skating speed as well as agility always seems to keep him a step or two behind the play. His wingers, Prust and Dubinsky, always seem to be carrying the workload, with Boyle just "kinda there".

I know he makes the occasional nice defensive play. But I think he just isn't built for being a center with his lack of foot speed. The center position requires a skater to cover a huge area very quickly(especially in the defensive zone). Perhaps they should move Dubi back to center, and switch Boyle to wing?

Dubinsky, at one time, was one of our best face-off guys. Perhaps it might help him considering he has been trying to be more of a playmaker as of late. Dubi also is just as good if not better than Boyle on defensive side of the puck.

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He impressed me in the playoffs last year. He didn't really produce (then again, nobody really did), but he had several good games and numerous impact shifts. I believe Tortorella said he was our best player in the playoffs, and IMO, aside from Lundqvist, he was our most effective.

He's not necessarily an ideal third line center, but I think this team could win a cup with him in that position if the top-6 does their job offensively. Boyle knows how to shutdown other top players. He may not be a physical force, but he knows how to use his size positionally and is a smart player defensively.

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I'd rather him be the 4th line center, but with Arty playing LW we don't have the depth to do that. Oh well.

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I would prefer Boyle on the 4th line with Prust and Rupp. I wish Torts would try Mitchell, Dubi and Feds together as the 3rd line. Prust and Boyle on the 3rd line just makes me I think it would help all 3 offensively if Mitchell, Dubi and Feds played with each other. But I'm not the coach so what do I know? Just my opinion.

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Am I comfortable with his defense and fore-checking? Absolutely. Am I comfortable with his offensive game? Not at all. I keep bringing up this stat as much as I can (so don't call me out for it lol) but the third line has a total of 3 goals since Feb. 1st (13 games). I can't say I'm comfortable with it.

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he's the best faceoff guy on the team, is second in hits and is very defensively responsible. if dubi can start to put up some numbers on that line, i'm very comfortable with it.

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Not uncomfortable with him at all.

Now if we're a goal or two down in the third period, I think i'd rather see Mitchell, Fedotenko, ect, but in a even goal or advantage situation, I think only AA is better defensively.

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He impressed me in the playoffs last year. He didn't really produce (then again, nobody really did), but he had several good games and numerous impact shifts. I believe Tortorella said he was our best player in the playoffs, and IMO, aside from Lundqvist, he was our most effective.

He's not necessarily an ideal third line center, but I think this team could win a cup with him in that position if the top-6 does their job offensively. Boyle knows how to shutdown other top players. He may not be a physical force, but he knows how to use his size positionally and is a smart player defensively.
Thats fair, do you think though that Dubi could probably be better as the center on that line? I think it takes away some of the defensive responsibilities of Boyle. I also think its better for Boyle to be grinding on the boards and allowing Dubinsky more ability to set up in the open ice as the high man.

Granted, Boyle can't pass, but Prust isn't terrible at it. Or is Boyle simply too slow to retrieve the puck on a dump in?

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yes im comfortable with this whole team.... they made it this far as a team,everyone has contributed in there own ways..

Yes,I am very comfortable with B.B

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I should preface this thread by saying: I like Brian Boyle. I think he is probably a nice guy, he works incredibly hard, and his teammates all seem to like him.

But going into the playoffs, do you guys feel uncomfortable with him as our third line center? Considering that Tortorella loves to roll three lines and play them interchangeably; is Boyle a strong enough center to be effective in the playoffs? Personally, I just don't see it.

I've always thought of him being a better fit as a 4th line winger (getting seven minutes a night), then as a shutdown defensive center. I think his general lack of skating speed as well as agility always seems to keep him a step or two behind the play. His wingers, Prust and Dubinsky, always seem to be carrying the workload, with Boyle just "kinda there".

I know he makes the occasional nice defensive play. But I think he just isn't built for being a center with his lack of foot speed. The center position requires a skater to cover a huge area very quickly(especially in the defensive zone). Perhaps they should move Dubi back to center, and switch Boyle to wing?

Dubinsky, at one time, was one of our best face-off guys. Perhaps it might help him considering he has been trying to be more of a playmaker as of late. Dubi also is just as good if not better than Boyle on defensive side of the puck.
Nothing to complain about,so might as well find something right?????????


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Thats fair, do you think though that Dubi could probably be better as the center on that line? I think it takes away some of the defensive responsibilities of Boyle. I also think its better for Boyle to be grinding on the boards and allowing Dubinsky more ability to set up in the open ice as the high man.

Granted, Boyle can't pass, but Prust isn't terrible at it. Or is Boyle simply too slow to retrieve the puck on a dump in?
Boyle belongs in a center role because of how good he is defensively. He's better than Dubinsky in that facet.

Dubinsky-Boyle-Prust is going to be a VERY good line in the playoffs, IMO, especially if Dubinsky can elevate his offensive game. They're already a nightmare down low when they can retrieve the puck on the dump.

Maybe switch out Hagelin with Dubinsky every once in a while either way, it's/will be an effective line.

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I'd rather him be the 4th line center, but with Arty playing LW we don't have the depth to do that. Oh well.
Which is why the Kreider option in April is so intriguing...

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Nothing to complain about,so might as well find something right?????????
Not complaining about the team, just observing a weakness. We have three significant ones as I see it:

1)Lack of another offensive threat from the wing(specifically left wing)

2)A better third line center who is faceoff specialist and has more speed.

3)A Triggerman from the point that can assist our PP

The sky is not falling for me, and I don't feel I am looking for a problem where there is none. I think it is a legit concern.

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Not uncomfortable with him at all.

Now if we're a goal or two down in the third period, I think i'd rather see Mitchell, Fedotenko, ect, but in a even goal or advantage situation, I think only AA is better defensively.
If we're a goal or two down in the third you're more comfortable with Mitchell and Fedotenko than AA?

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If we're a goal or two down in the third you're more comfortable with Mitchell and Fedotenko than AA?
If that is how it came off, then I apologize, but no. I meant Boyler is our 2nd best forward in his own zone.

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Besides scoring he has been doing everything else perfectly fine.

He is our best face off guy, always up their in hits for us and play very tough defense, which is was torts is looking for with his system. I was hating on him earlier this year but I grew to like his game regardless that he can't fight for his life.

Also he is a big reason why our PK is so solid.

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Yes i trust him, but he really needs to use his body in the playoffs, he should throw his body around every chance he gets.

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I should preface this thread by saying: I like Brian Boyle. I think he is probably a nice guy, he works incredibly hard, and his teammates all seem to like him.

But going into the playoffs, do you guys feel uncomfortable with him as our third line center? Considering that Tortorella loves to roll three lines and play them interchangeably; is Boyle a strong enough center to be effective in the playoffs? Personally, I just don't see it.

I've always thought of him being a better fit as a 4th line winger (getting seven minutes a night), then as a shutdown defensive center. I think his general lack of skating speed as well as agility always seems to keep him a step or two behind the play. His wingers, Prust and Dubinsky, always seem to be carrying the workload, with Boyle just "kinda there".

I know he makes the occasional nice defensive play. But I think he just isn't built for being a center with his lack of foot speed. The center position requires a skater to cover a huge area very quickly(especially in the defensive zone). Perhaps they should move Dubi back to center, and switch Boyle to wing?

Dubinsky, at one time, was one of our best face-off guys. Perhaps it might help him considering he has been trying to be more of a playmaker as of late. Dubi also is just as good if not better than Boyle on defensive side of the puck.
Boyle may not be ideal however this team could do far worse for a 3rd line center. Boyle may never put up 20 goals again, hell the guy may never score 12-15 again but his commitment to defense and playing his role cannot be over looked. We have 2 great scoring lines. An okay 3rd line that does a great job of shutting down other teams, and a okay 4th line as well.

I am comfortable with Boyle because he is the best we have at the moment and the sacrifices he makes to put defense first are extremely valuable. I would rather a 3rd line center be able to do what he does at even strength and the PK over a guy who puts up a few more points but cannot PK like BB can. Yeah Gaustad may have been great but not for a 1st round pick. He has 2 more goals then Boyle and 2 more points overall. Sure the Gaustad is great with faceoffs but he simply wasn't worth his asking price (and as another poster pointed out, Boyle in his own right is good on faceoffs). Boyle will continue to play his role well and as long as he does that, as a fan I can ask for nothing more.

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Boyle belongs in a center role because of how good he is defensively. He's better than Dubinsky in that facet.

Dubinsky-Boyle-Prust is going to be a VERY good line in the playoffs, IMO, especially if Dubinsky can elevate his offensive game. They're already a nightmare down low when they can retrieve the puck on the dump.

Maybe switch out Hagelin with Dubinsky every once in a while either way, it's/will be an effective line.
Hagelin actually does fit very well with Boyle/Prust, because he's so good at retrieving dump-ins. I think that's why he played so well with them when he first came up. Those two are great along the boards, but not quite speedy enough to consistently retrieve the puck. When the puck would get dumped in, Hagelin could get in there are get it (or at least slow the other team down along the boards), allowing the other two to get the cycle going. In games where we're up a goal or two late, I'd switch Dubi and Hags, so that the Boyle line can get the cycle going more frequently, and the Richards line gets an infusion of high-end boardwork.

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Boyle gets a bad rap. He is a good checking C

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Boyle is fine. Last year he caught lightning in a bottle with his offense, I don't expect consistent scoring from him. But Torts trust him on the PK, and he seems to be one of those glue guys in the dressing room.

Bottom line, he's a big body grinder who is a team guy, a guy you win with. Nice pickup from LA.

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Probably the last person anyone should be questioning. I mean honestly did anyone expect him to keep up a 20 goal pace this year? Even 10 lol?

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100% yes. Not sure why this is a question. Boyle does his job as well as anyone. Solid shutdown guy and PKer, but more than that he's just a warrior.

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Only player im quick to replace is Mitchell..im happy with everyone else.Not that im unhappy with Mitchell,just dont care for him much as a player.....but at the moment,he fits.

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Only player im quick to replace is Mitchell..im happy with everyone else.Not that im unhappy with Mitchell,just dont care for him much as a player.....but at the moment,he fits.
i think feds offers less than mitchell, actually. but that's just my opinion.

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