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02-28-2012, 06:32 PM
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Read on TSN that apparently Grigorenko isnt held in high regard by all scouts. Apparently a few have said they want to pass on him. One even stated, if hes available at 25, we pass on him. They question his character and compete level
i would like to see a link to that, I can not see at 25 someone not doing cartwheels....IF this is true...I wonder if these are the same scouts that passed on Ryan O'Reilly...or the same scouts that drafted Kyle Beach way ahead of Ennis and Eberle...etc etc...I wonder if it was them LOL?

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02-28-2012, 06:33 PM
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Either way, IMHO one of them will have their name called by the 2nd/3rd pick...by Montreal

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02-28-2012, 08:14 PM
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Yet Patrick Roy thinks very highly of him.
This. Patrick Roy HATES lazy/soft/uncompetitive players and has called out tons of them in the past yet he has consistently praised Grigorenko. I trust him more than some obscure anonymous scout.

I went to a few Remparts games and I don't thin Grigorenko is lazy. He's big, doesn't have great acceleration and plays a cerebral game... I guess this is why he might look lazy to some scouts.

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02-28-2012, 10:37 PM
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i would like to see a link to that, I can not see at 25 someone not doing cartwheels....IF this is true...I wonder if these are the same scouts that passed on Ryan O'Reilly...or the same scouts that drafted Kyle Beach way ahead of Ennis and Eberle...etc etc...I wonder if it was them LOL?
It's clearly media stirring.

Even a casual fan can see by watching Grig that he is going to be something special.

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02-28-2012, 11:43 PM
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Interesting that the scout specifically said "I wouldn't draft Grigo at #25". I think he was making a figure of speech, using Grigorenko's number rather than an actual draft position...


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i would like to see a link to that, I can not see at 25 someone not doing cartwheels....IF this is true...I wonder if these are the same scouts that passed on Ryan O'Reilly...or the same scouts that drafted Kyle Beach way ahead of Ennis and Eberle...etc etc...I wonder if it was them LOL?
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"He doesn't want to compete. If he's there at 25 and we are picking, we go by him."

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02-29-2012, 12:03 AM
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Lol that scout deserves to be fired. I mean MAYBE there's four guys better than him when all is said and done...but...Jesus.

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02-29-2012, 12:26 AM
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I really liked Galchenyuk before his injury as well OP, I think it's a toss up between him and Grigo. Galchenyuk does remind me more of Malkin though and Grigo more like a mix of Thornton/Hossa.

I'm hoping the leafs can trade up and draft Galchenyuk. He'd be sweet with Kessel.

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02-29-2012, 12:35 AM
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I really liked Galchenyuk before his injury as well OP, I think it's a toss up between him and Grigo. Galchenyuk does remind me more of Malkin though and Grigo more like a mix of Thornton/Hossa.

I'm hoping the leafs can trade up and draft Galchenyuk. He'd be sweet with Kessel.
The way we are playing we might not have to trade up.

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The way we are playing we might not have to trade up.
So Galchenyuk to the Leafs is the flavor of the week now?

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So Galchenyuk to the Leafs is the flavor of the week now?
Yeah I guess.

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The way we are playing we might not have to trade up.
Lol I hope so, but honestly we are better than all the teams under us. Hopefully Wilson keeps starting Komisarek, Lombardi and Connolly, that will definitely help the tank.

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"He doesn't want to compete. If he's there at 25 and we are picking, we go by him."

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It's not unheard of that some teams will trash a prospect or start rumors, etc., to influence other scouts and hope the prospect will fall to them...

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02-29-2012, 01:29 AM
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I wonder if the Isles would pick Galchenyuk if available.....



He could be the #2 centre they need.....We need Defense but Dmen take longer to develope...


Should is injury be a concern???
Defense is a big need though and Strome will be the #2 center for them. I don't see him playing the wing.

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02-29-2012, 03:43 AM
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I really liked Galchenyuk before his injury as well OP, I think it's a toss up between him and Grigo. Galchenyuk does remind me more of Malkin though and Grigo more like a mix of Thornton/Hossa.

I'm hoping the leafs can trade up and draft Galchenyuk. He'd be sweet with Kessel.
AG is at least 2 years away from an nhl roster imo. Could be awhile before you see that happening.

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"He doesn't want to compete. If he's there at 25 and we are picking, we go by him."

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sometimes scouts say things to throw others off, like someone picking 3rd could say something like this knowing some people are saying it, make teams question him so he falls to them....or this scout is just missing something with him miss inturpeting one thing for another...his skating can make you think that...he skates like Mario Lemieux where he looks like he is lazy but he is moving super well and always in good position. I am not comparing Grigorenko to Lemieux at all...But a lot of people with mario said he was too lazy blah blah blah, but if you watch them it is not a lazy factor at all...I know lazy players and have seen Grigorenko a bunch of times and he is far from lazy...as stated above Roy would not put up with lazy players, he shapes them and kicks their butts...he is a winner coach and wants nothing but to win and will do what it takes to win and you do not win with lazy players.

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02-29-2012, 08:40 AM
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The question for me is who's the better goal scorer? Is one more of a passer than a shooter?

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It's not unheard of that some teams will trash a prospect or start rumors, etc., to influence other scouts and hope the prospect will fall to them...
..or, the criticisms are valid. There are only a handful of folks on these boards see these players day in and day out and can be relied upon to offer an objective view, so IMO these kinds of question marks-as offered by NHL scouts have to merit some consideration.

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The question for me is who's the better goal scorer? Is one more of a passer than a shooter?
Yakupov is the goal scorer
Grigroenko the playmaker

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02-29-2012, 09:30 AM
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Yakupov is the goal scorer
Grigroenko the playmaker
He meant Galch vs Grigo.

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The question for me is who's the better goal scorer? Is one more of a passer than a shooter?
Grigo has a wicked shot and doesn't hesitate to use it.

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He meant Galch vs Grigo.
Exactly, i.e. Carter vs. Thornton.

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He meant Galch vs Grigo.
I'd say Galchenyuk has the better goal scoring talent but he's more of a playmaker.

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02-29-2012, 11:05 AM
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i would like to see a link to that, I can not see at 25 someone not doing cartwheels....IF this is true...I wonder if these are the same scouts that passed on Ryan O'Reilly...or the same scouts that drafted Kyle Beach way ahead of Ennis and Eberle...etc etc...I wonder if it was them LOL?
Be crazy to pass on Grigo at 25th!! I call him Pierre Turgeon. He's not a core player to build around but he can put up points. Saying to pass on him at 25 some scout is going way too far to make a point

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02-29-2012, 11:16 AM
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I'm considering all of those things...

Here let's break it down.

Mikhail Grigorenko: Height: 74 GP :36 G :25 A :33 PTS 58 AGE :17

Alex Galchenyuk: Height: 73 GP :68 G :31 A :52PTS 83 AGE :17

Looking past stats, Grigorenko reminds me of someone who hit the development curve quicker than others (therefore is portrayed better than he is) kind of like Benoit Pouliot. In comparison Alex Galchenyuk reminds me of a smoother skater with more upside kind of like Matt Duchene. Ovbviously this is pure speculation, however I just wanted to know why there was such a consensus on Grigorenko
Glachenyuk was 16 for more than half of that year...

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