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02-29-2012, 06:45 AM
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I know it's early, but can the Habs make a run at Zach Parise in the offseason? He'd be that legit #1 C we're looking for. I know he's a winger, but he has played C before and could very well fill that void IMO. If we buy out Gomez or send him to the minors, we could definitely make a decent offer for him. I don't see NJ resigning him with the ownership issues they're having and such.

Now here are the approximate numbers:

As of now, we have 9M in cap space, but with all the free agents this offseason, we're going to have approx. 23M in cap space. Buying out Gomez or ensuring he's in the minors would bump the cap space up to around 30M+. Habs would need to resign (IMO) Price, Subban, Moen, Emelin, Diaz, Eller and White (if I'm forgetting a key asset, please correct me cause I'm doing this off the top of my head). Now, I feel like despite the number of players we still need to resign, Parise still remains in the cards. Don't forget, Parise's Dad does have a French Canadian background, which may influence his decision to become a Hab

What do you guys think? Should the Habs make a run at him or are there other more important positions we need to fill before thinking about Parise?
Draft Galchenyuk and sign Parise give us the other offensive line we serious need.

Maybe allows us to trade Plekanec for another pick to select another top draftee?? I love having a blue chip in the farm system. Forsberg? Reinhart? Faksa? Gaunce? I haven't decided which one for sure yet though.

Then sign Gaustad? We need size and face off guy down the middle. Even leaves a little cap room to trade for that missing piece late next season.

See....I have it all planned out

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02-29-2012, 07:07 AM
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LOL what does being new on a forum have to do with anything?..Some people cant see past their own nose on here is hilarious.

this is what we do. We resign Koivu for 1.5 mil and make him captain again. We need leadership on this team and I think he's in the top 5 for best leaders in the game right now.

Make a strong run at Shane Doan he is just a raw player. Bring Bouillon back on D and go after Brad Stuart. Instead of throwing all of our money at one player why not have some depth with leadership? We can still play our young guys bury Gomer and have a more hard nosed line up instead of a cupcake one.
Really? Your suggested changes do nothing but make the team older and far from a winner.

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02-29-2012, 08:13 AM
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UFAs consider who they will play with, and for which coach, when they sign. In other words, Parise is not coming to Montreal.

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02-29-2012, 08:18 AM
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Zach Parise already said he want's to play for a winner and doesn't care much about the cash. The Habs are not that winner and Parise will not sign here

Also I said it a few times already and I really believe he ends up in Boston

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02-29-2012, 08:59 AM
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Would love Parise, but would rather go after some defensemen. If we could add Suter and tough mid tier dman that would be great. Not sure how much money we would have after that.
How bout both, and still okay.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Rene Bourque ($3.333m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Louis Leblanc ($1.170m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($2.500m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
Blake Geoffrion ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($6.750m) / P.K. Subban ($3.250m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($1.300m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.100m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($4.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,603,333; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $396,667

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02-29-2012, 09:09 AM
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Parise avoids Montreal like the plague.

I'd rather see the Habs toughen up their bottom six, add a defenseman or two, and a big top 6 winger.

Ideally I'd sign one of Gaustad or Konopka to center the fourth line. And add a guy like Brandon Prust to replace Staubitz. Re-sign Moen.

Sign Souray and make a serious run at Suter.

Attempt to trade for a power forward at the draft.

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen - Eller - Leblanc
Prust -Gaustad-White
Ex - Darche, Geoffrion

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Souray - Suter
Kaberle - Diaz

Move Kaberle if possible. Develop your prospects in the AHL for another year or two. Draft MacKinnon in 2013.

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02-29-2012, 09:24 AM
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I'd love to have him in our line-up but I doubt he makes it to UFA.

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02-29-2012, 09:39 AM
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How bout both, and still okay.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Rene Bourque ($3.333m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Louis Leblanc ($1.170m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($2.500m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
Blake Geoffrion ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($6.750m) / P.K. Subban ($3.250m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($1.300m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.100m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($4.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,603,333; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $396,667
Both would be great, but I have serious doubts that Parise signs in MTL. I think we have a better shot at Suter. Especially if we hire a solid coaching staff (I'm looking at you Larry Robinson) that could be tempting to play for in his case.

The 6.75M you have him signed for is ballpark what I think he'd get, but in MTL we'd likely have to offer 7.5M....but that's OK, it's like trading Gomez for Suter once Gomer is buried in the ECHL

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02-29-2012, 09:44 AM
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Zach Parise already said he want's to play for a winner and doesn't care much about the cash. The Habs are not that winner and Parise will not sign here

Also I said it a few times already and I really believe he ends up in Boston
Money does a lot of talking. Wisniewski could have waited for free-agency(I believed he signed just two hours before 12:00)...but signed a deal with COLUMBUS! A team that hadn't shown it was a winner at any time.(Yes they had just traded for Carter, but they never showed anything as a club).

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Money does a lot of talking. Wisniewski could have waited for free-agency(I believed he signed just two hours before 12:00)...but signed a deal with COLUMBUS! A team that hadn't shown it was a winner at any time.(Yes they had just traded for Carter, but they never showed anything as a club).
Wisnewski was bouncing around from team to team though he was just looking for a long term contract

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Wisnewski was bouncing around from team to team though he was just looking for a long term contract
With the season he had in Montreal, anyone would have offered him a long-term contract. Look at what Buffalo did with Ehrhoff. Wisniewski and Ehrhoff were probably the 2 biggest names for defense on the market. Wisniewski would have had 0 trouble finding a contract with a contending team.

Like I said, money does a lot of talking for a lot of people. If the offer is right, then signing here would not be out of the question.

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Really? Your suggested changes do nothing but make the team older and far from a winner.
lol and getting ONE player makes us a winner?..At least my way we would be an all around better team

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lol and getting ONE player makes us a winner?..At least my way we would be an all around better team
I don't think that either, look at my first post and I say it's a pipe dream to think he would come here. But your basically wanting to add a player in Doan that will be 36 when the season starts and who is slowing down. Bouillon will be 37, is a borderline player at this point who brings no offence and does not hit like he once did. As for Stuart, he would be an interesting addition at the right price but he is also getting older and I don't see him leaving Detroit, a winning team etc.

As for Saku, after what he put up with here for so many years, I doubt he would want to come back and again is going to be 38 I believe and might even hang them up.

These moves are not likely to make the team significantly better, if at all.

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Zach Parise already said he want's to play for a winner and doesn't care much about the cash. The Habs are not that winner and Parise will not sign here

Also I said it a few times already and I really believe he ends up in Boston
Money does a lot of talking. Wisniewski could have waited for free-agency(I believed he signed just two hours before 12:00)...but signed a deal with COLUMBUS! A team that hadn't shown it was a winner at any time.(Yes they had just traded for Carter, but they never showed anything as a club).
Did Wisniewski ever say that he wants to play for a winner, like Parise said?

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ONE player to make us a better team instantly ?

it would have to be a D, (example : Suter), pretty much all the good teams have a stud on D capable to play in all situations 25 min a night...

given the example

get a Suter equivalent and solidify the 3rd pair and you can have a decent to good team without adding that much on offense...

lets say : Suter, Emelin, Subban and Gorges on your top 4. then have physical D on the 3rd pair along with a specialist (PP, PK, whatever)...

something like
Emelin - Suter (or equivalent)
Gorges - Subban
one of Kaberle, Weber or Diaz - Physical shutdown D.

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Zach Parise already said he want's to play for a winner and doesn't care much about the cash. The Habs are not that winner and Parise will not sign here

Also I said it a few times already andI really believe he ends up in Boston




Wouldn't surprise me, Chiarelli is doing a heck of a job.

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Did Wisniewski ever say that he wants to play for a winner, like Parise said?
Exactly my point, Wiz knew it was probably his only shot at getting the jackpot and any smart team would have never have offered him what the CBJ did

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Wouldn't surprise me, Chiarelli is doing a heck of a job.
They have cap space + they can put Savard on long term IR without counting against the Cap. Indeed very scary

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Wouldn't surprise me, Chiarelli is doing a heck of a job.
So true. It's painful, but he probably is one if not the best GM of his time. Boston is a franchise that is built to remain competitive for a long time.

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You'd have to give him $10M per season to come here after our season.

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yeah you are right on the all of small of ones are collectively poison. But it's not an everyday opportunity to have a FA such as Parise. I would move for Parise even bit over pay him and trade Gio later to deal with the size issue. Parise smart, motivated, winner attitude. For me Parise is the kind of player that we need right now. his greatest quality is that he's CONSISTENT CONSISTENT CONSISTENT. thats what we want. We had the whole season 3-4 consistent forwards (we all know them. those who we do not speak of as trade options.lol)
I really don't see why the guy would want to come here. We're not contenders and we're small up front with adding him. He wants to play for a winner and there are tons of teams that will pay him the cash. Ditto with Suter.

And if I had to choose between both, I'd go with Suter.

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I really don't see why the guy would want to come here. We're not contenders and we're small up front with adding him. He wants to play for a winner and there are tons of teams that will pay him the cash. Ditto with Suter.

And if I had to choose between both, I'd go with Suter.
I thought I read somewhere, that Parise and Suter are friends and are talking about going to the same team to win a Cup...that's not us, unfortunately...

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Both would be great, but I have serious doubts that Parise signs in MTL. I think we have a better shot at Suter. Especially if we hire a solid coaching staff (I'm looking at you Larry Robinson) that could be tempting to play for in his case.

The 6.75M you have him signed for is ballpark what I think he'd get, but in MTL we'd likely have to offer 7.5M....but that's OK, it's like trading Gomez for Suter once Gomer is buried in the ECHL
well he did say he was open to coming back here

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Wouldn't surprise me, Chiarelli is doing a heck of a job.
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So true. It's painful, but he probably is one if not the best GM of his time. Boston is a franchise that is built to remain competitive for a long time.

How about instead of giving the money to Parise and Suter we give it to Chiarelli, it would be a much better investment

But seriously, how many years left on his contract with Boston?

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