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02-29-2012, 10:08 AM
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The chances of Grigorenko making it straight to the NHL aren't guaranteed.
I'd say that management may want to give him some AHL time before jumping up.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

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02-29-2012, 10:10 AM
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Eller's not a 2nd line C IMO...at least not yet. I really think people are jumping the gun on Plekanec because he's having a bad season. The whole team pretty much had a bad season with the exception of one line. You guys underestimate what Plekanec can do against other team's top lines. He's still young and has a lot left in him. He's the type of player you'd want to keep. If DD has another good season next season, I'd say trade him while his value is high.
Not to mention, Plekanec is really the best option for "sheltering" defensively poor lines. Eller is getting there but even on an off year for Plekanec he has less bad games than Eller. Even if Grigorenko makes the NHL next year and has a say, Tavares rookie like pace (which would be the best case scenario IMO), a top 2 of Grigorenko and DD would be mediocre offensively and absolutely awful defensively.

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Eller nor DD is a Top 6 center yet. Pleks is our only one and its a testament to his game for him to take so much pressure off them. We are much better off converting Desharnais to the wing for two reasons. First, we sorely lack size down the middle. Second he is a playmaker and we have Bourque, Gionta, Cole, Pacioretty who are all shooters. We need playmakers, especially if we draft a guy like Grigorenko.

I think these lines would get us into the playoffs (assuming we get one or the other)

Cole - Plekanec - Parise/Yakupov
Pacioretty - Eller - Gionta (with Giontas shooting, this line would be very good)
Desharnais - Grigorenko/FA - Bourque
Geoffrion - FA - White

Subban - Suter/Gorges
Markov - Gorges/FA
Emelin - Diaz/FA

Price

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02-29-2012, 10:14 AM
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You can never have "too many centers."

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Stop it with your level headed arguments. My team sucks right now and I want to dream that Parise and Suter are coming here. Let me do that please...
The problem with that is that you will blame our management later for your unrealistic expectations.

You = All the people who believe we have a chance to sign Parise and/or Suter

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02-29-2012, 10:18 AM
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You can never have "too many centers."
But if we trade Plekanec or Desharnais, think about how many more grinders we can get to play on the top 6!

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02-29-2012, 10:24 AM
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You can never have "too many centers."
The funniest part is that as of now, gomez is STILL on this team for the next 2 years, and people are talking about grigorenko on this team NEXT year alrdy, let alone the fact we might not even draft him at ALL

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02-29-2012, 10:25 AM
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Eller's not a 2nd line C IMO...at least not yet. I really think people are jumping the gun on Plekanec because he's having a bad season. The whole team pretty much had a bad season with the exception of one line. You guys underestimate what Plekanec can do against other team's top lines. He's still young and has a lot left in him. He's the type of player you'd want to keep. If DD has another good season next season, I'd say trade him while his value is high.
What people who want to keep Plekanec aren't understanding is to upgrade your lineup you have to trade people of value. Plekanec brings far more value in the market than the others. We're not underestimating him. We understand how the market works.

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02-29-2012, 10:25 AM
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It seems as though some scouts are having doubts about Grigorenko's compete level: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=388658

While things are looking good for the tank and ending up with a high draft position, let's not get ahead of ourselves in thinking a guy like Grigorenko is ready to displace an established NHL center anytime soon.

Frankly, it seems as though the only guy in the 2012 draft who is sure to make an impact in the NHL in 2012-2013 is Nail Yakupov. If we win the lottery and draft 1st overall, I'm going to do the dance of joy with cousin Larry.

In the words of the great Nail, SEE YOU NEXT TIME!!!

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02-29-2012, 10:27 AM
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trade plekachu + for big talented center or winger.

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02-29-2012, 10:27 AM
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What people who want to keep Plekanec aren't understanding is to upgrade your lineup you have to trade people of value. Plekanec brings far more value in the market than the others. We're not underestimating him. We understand how the market works.
I understand that, but don't you think we could fetch something for Desharnais and maybe package Weber for someone decent if DD has another good season?

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02-29-2012, 10:30 AM
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The chances of Grigorenko making it straight to the NHL aren't guaranteed.
I'd say that management may want to give him some AHL time before jumping up.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
Grigerenko or anyone drafted this year can either play in NHL or junior. Not the AHL. So if we get 2nd pick you're telling me were gonna wait 2 years to see them in a Habs jersey ? That would make no sense

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02-29-2012, 10:32 AM
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Grigerenko or anyone drafted this year can either play in NHL or junior. Not the AHL. So if we get 2nd pick you're telling me were gonna wait 2 years to see them in a Habs jersey ? That would make no sense
Grigorenko turns 18 in May. He can play in the AHL.

Never mind. You have to be 20 if you played CHL.

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02-29-2012, 10:32 AM
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Grigerenko or anyone drafted this year can either play in NHL or junior. Not the AHL. So if we get 2nd pick you're telling me were gonna wait 2 years to see them in a Habs jersey ? That would make no sense
Oh sweet, I remember back in the day that Spezza had a ton of hype, good to see Ottawa rushed him into the NHL especially after it worked out so well for them with Daigle.
Again, putting words into the mouth of someone else is a sign of a weak argument
Which brings us to Montreal, the team isn't known for rushing player development and throwing 18 year old's into the NHL. Don't expect the to start now and as scouts have already mentioned, Yakupov is the only one estimated to make an impact on an NHL roster after the draft

PS, thx for digging up the bday, Smoka, I didn't wanna Wiki it myself

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Grigorenko turns 18 in May. He can play in the AHL.
Almost positive he cant

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02-29-2012, 10:36 AM
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Almost positive he cant
No, you are right he can't.

For some reason my mind automatically went Russian=can play at 18.

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No, you are right he can't.

For some reason my mind automatically went Russian=can play at 18.
So would it serve him better in the Q or the NHL? Nothing to prove in Q. He's probably not ready for the NHL but another junior year serves little purpose and he could bolt for the khl. I don't trust russians

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02-29-2012, 10:39 AM
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To be able to play in the AHL, you have to be 18 or over prior to September 15
Grigorenko will be 18 on May 16

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So would it serve him better in the Q or the NHL? Nothing to prove in Q. He's probably not ready for the NHL but another junior year serves little purpose and he could bolt for the khl. I don't trust russians
No idea, haven't watched him play.

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To be able to play in the AHL, you have to be 18 or over prior to September 15
Grigorenko will be 18 on May 16
Not if you Played in the chl. Someone who played in Europe can go to AHL. But if ur in north America you can not

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To be able to play in the AHL, you have to be 18 or over prior to September 15
Grigorenko will be 18 on May 16
You have to be 20. You can play at 18 from college or Europe, but not if you came from the CHL (there is an exception if you have already played 4 junior seasons though).

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02-29-2012, 10:42 AM
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1. Draft Grigorenko
2. Buy out Gomez
3. Trade Eller and Desharnais for a BIG winger
4. Sign Parise
5. Win the Stanley Cup

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I wouldn't put grigs on the wing because he has to develop into his future role. I personally don't see any problem with putting DD on the wing, he isn't good at faceoffs and there is no reason why he wont be able to pass as well from the wing. Plekanec needs to stay center because he is our best faceoff guy (though still not fantastic) and is defensive minded, the center is the defensive player on the line.

Honestly, even though Eller is developing slowely, he is great defensively and has the size that Plekanec doesn't...couldn't we just draft Nail or a higher wing prospect and keep the centers as is hoping Eller could become a number 1 in a few years? Plekanec and DD are absolutely suitable for 1st line duties until then.

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02-29-2012, 10:48 AM
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You have to be 20. You can play at 18 from college or Europe, but not if you came from the CHL (there is an exception if you have already played 4 junior seasons though).
Gonna have to take your word on it as I don't recall their bylaws and just going off the age limit of 18

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02-29-2012, 10:55 AM
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I understand that, but don't you think we could fetch something for Desharnais and maybe package Weber for someone decent if DD has another good season?
DD and Weber wouldn't get us anything.

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