HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > San Jose Sharks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2012-2013 Sharks Roster analysis

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-29-2012, 12:26 PM
  #1
hockeyball
Registered User
 
hockeyball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 17,743
vCash: 500
2012-2013 Sharks Roster analysis

I know, I know, JYNX THREAD. I don't mean this as a 'the season is over' or something thread, just wanted to look at what we might expect so we can keep that in mind as we watch these guys finish out the season.

These are rounded cap numbers, so there is a little buffer to account for.

Forwards:
#PlayerCap HitUFA/RFA2012 Salary (est)NTC?
1Thornton $7mNo$7mYes
2Marleau$6.9MNo$6.9mYes
3Havlat$5mNo$5mYes
4Pavelski$4mNo$4mNo
5Clowe$3.6mNo$3.6mNo
6Handzus$2.5mNo$2.5mYes
7Mitchell$1.4MUFA$1mNo
8Couture$1.3mNo$2.9mNo
9Moore$1.1mUFA$1.5No
10Winnik$1mUFA$1.8mNo
11Wingels$900kRFA$1.1mNo
12Winchester$725kUFA$750kNo
13Sheppard$725kRFA$725kNo
14Galiardi$700kRFA$850kNo
15Ferriero$600kRFA$700kNo
16Desjardins$550kRFA$600kNo

Forwards Totals:
11-12 Total12-13 TotalChange
$38m$41m+$3m

Defense:
#PlayerCap HitUFA/RFA2012 Salary (est)NTC?
1Boyle$6.7mNo$6.7mYes
2Burns$3.5mNo$5.8mYes
3Vlasic$3.1mNo$3.1mNo
4Murray$2.5mNo$2.5mNo
5Demers$1.3mNo$1.3mNo
6Vandermeer$1mUFA$1mNo
7White$1mUFA$1mYes
8Braun$900kRFA$1.3mNo

Defense Totals:
11-12 Total12-13 TotalChange
$20m$22.7m+$2.7m

Goalies:
#PlayerCap HitUFA/RFA2012 Salary (est)NTC?
1Niemi$3.8mNo$3.8mNo
2Greiss$600kNo$600kNo

Goalie Totals:
11-12 Total12-13 TotalChange
$4.4m$4.4m$0

Team Totals:
11-12 roster #11-12 total12-13 roster #12-13 total Change
26$62.4m26$68.1m$5.7m

So there is a rough look at what we can expect next year from the players. Obviously we have too many players so who goes? Will that be enough to equal the $5.7m gain? (assuming cap stays the same).

HB's guesses at 'not resigned' UFA's:
Vandermeer:$1m
White:$1m
Mitchell:$1.4m
Total: $3.4m

The problem is that isn't enough, and it assumes we will roll with 6d and 15f (which is highly unlikely). It also doesn't account for the possibility of bringing in Stuart ($2m+).

So who are the forward candidates that will not return:
UFAs:
Handzus - $2.5m - NMC
Moore - $1.5
Winnik - $1.8
Winchester - $725k

RFA's (traded at draft):
Wingels - $1.1m
Sheppard - $725k
Galiardi - $850k
Ferriero - $700k
Desjardins - $550k

So if the Sharks want to keep Moore/Winnik they are likely going to need to find a way to move Handzus. If they can't it is unlikely both players can be retained. If they want to bring in Stuart they are going to have to make a more significant move on top of that. They could attempt to pass a few of those guys through waivers, but that would be risky.


Capgeek lineup an an example:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Daniel Winnik ($1.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / T.J. Galiardi ($0.850m)
Tommy Wingels ($1.100m) / James Sheppard ($0.725m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.600m)
/ Brad Winchester ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Brad Stuart ($2.000m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,264,167; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,035,833

If the Sharks want to get Rick Nash, they are going to have to move some significant contracts. Plus getting rid of Handzus somehow seems pretty much a requirement.


Last edited by hockeyball: 02-29-2012 at 12:44 PM.
hockeyball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:28 PM
  #2
BrianSmith
Chokers
 
BrianSmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cali
Country: United States
Posts: 3,121
vCash: 500
I live for these threads..... let the fantasy capgeek lists begin!

BrianSmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:36 PM
  #3
CupfortheSharks
Registered User
 
CupfortheSharks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,102
vCash: 500
I've seen some speculation that the cap will go up significantly if the current CBA is extended for next season. If it isn't extended, then anything could happen. However, given that revenues are up and the union has a new hard liner in charge, I think it's pretty safe bet to expect plenty of wiggle room from this years cap number.

CupfortheSharks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:40 PM
  #4
hockeyball
Registered User
 
hockeyball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 17,743
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CupfortheSharks View Post
I've seen some speculation that the cap will go up significantly if the current CBA is extended for next season. If it isn't extended, then anything could happen. However, given that revenues are up and the union has a new hard liner in charge, I think it's pretty safe bet to expect plenty of wiggle room from this years cap number.
What I have read is that revenue wise the cap should go up to $68-69m, but that we won't see that happen because the new CBA will try to reduce the players share by about 7% which would push the cap down near the same number.

Plus even if it goes upto $69m, would the sharks spend to that cap? Maybe.

I'm not suggesting any course of action here, just showing the numbers and giving some examples.

hockeyball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:41 PM
  #5
magic school bus
***********
 
magic school bus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Jose, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 14,933
vCash: 500
- Stuart should get at least $2.5M, probably around $3M for 3+ years.
- I don 't think we'll be able to move Handzus, so to be safe we should build the roster with Handzus there. If we can dump him, that's a bonus.

magic school bus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:43 PM
  #6
hockeyball
Registered User
 
hockeyball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 17,743
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by magic school bus View Post
- Stuart should get at least $2.5M, probably around $3M for 3+ years.
- I don 't think we'll be able to move Handzus, so to be safe we should build the roster with Handzus there. If we can dump him, that's a bonus.
As i said, if we keep Handzus then it is highly unlikely we retain both Winnik and Moore for both cap and roster reasons.

The Sharks are clearly disatisfied with Handzus, but can they get rid of him somehow? Seems unlikely.

hockeyball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:43 PM
  #7
Fistfullofbeer
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Fistfullofbeer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Whidbey Island, WA
Country: India
Posts: 8,051
vCash: 500
You have Moore estimated 2012 as $1.5M in the table and $1.3M further below.

- I think the 2 guys we are most certainly not resigning are White and Mitchell. (+2.4M)
- Dont think Handzus will be traded
- Dont know if we will be trading Sheppard either.
- Fairy-O is gone (+700K).
- Still hoping we keep Vandy. He is veteran and physical D-man. Honestly though if I were him I would not want to stay here.

__________________
What?! Look, he thinks he's people!
Fistfullofbeer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:44 PM
  #8
VP and GM
Bill Says Hey Baby!
 
VP and GM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: at home
Country: United States
Posts: 5,399
vCash: 500
Well, it's a little early to speculate on next year until i see how we do in the playoffs.

From what you have i'd tinker with adding a depth D and the 4th line.

VP and GM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:45 PM
  #9
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 7,982
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyball View Post
As i said, if we keep Handzus then it is highly unlikely we retain both Winnik and Moore for both cap and roster reasons.

The Sharks are clearly disatisfied with Handzus, but can they get rid of him somehow? Seems unlikely.
Buyout would cost $833K in cap for 2 seasons. Reasonable to me but not my money.

Gilligans Island is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:46 PM
  #10
hockeyball
Registered User
 
hockeyball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 17,743
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fistfullofbeer View Post
You have Moore estimated 2012 as $1.5M in the table and $1.3M further below.

- I think the 2 guys we are most certainly not resigning are White and Mitchell. (+2.4M)
- Dont think Handzus will be traded
- Dont know if we will be trading Sheppard either.
- Fairy-O is gone (+700K).
- Still hoping we keep Vandy. He is veteran and physical D-man. Honestly though if I were him I would not want to stay here.
Fixed. Thanks.

Another thing to consider is what would the potential return be at the draft for certain players. Ferriero, Sheppard, etc.

Would Handzus waive if once we have a healthy roster he is scratched consistently, would he ask to be moved to a team that will give him better ice time? Would the Sharks scratch him?

hockeyball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:49 PM
  #11
210
Registered User
 
210's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Worcester, MA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,593
vCash: 500
Purely my opinion, but the free agents (UFA/RFA) I think will not be in the organization next season one way or another:

Ferriero
Guite
Lucia
MacIntyre
Marcou
McLaren
Mitchell
D. Moore
M. Moore
A. Murray
Niittymaki
Sexsmith
Vandermeer
White
Winchester

210 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:50 PM
  #12
Les Wynan*
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,745
vCash: 500
I'd just go with a Murray/Braun third pairing, there's no need for Stuart.

Les Wynan* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:50 PM
  #13
magic school bus
***********
 
magic school bus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Jose, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 14,933
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyball View Post
As i said, if we keep Handzus then it is highly unlikely we retain both Winnik and Moore for both cap and roster reasons.

The Sharks are clearly disatisfied with Handzus, but can they get rid of him somehow? Seems unlikely.
We weren't happy with Nittimaki in year two, and we couldn't dump him. Lots of people thought we could do that too.

We're probably going to be stuck with Handzus and it might cost us a shot at Stuart, but it's not a big deal. Moore + Winnik should be re-signed anyways - even if we keep Handzus. Both are better, faster and cheaper players than MH.

magic school bus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:50 PM
  #14
BrianSmith
Chokers
 
BrianSmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cali
Country: United States
Posts: 3,121
vCash: 500
SJE said that my estimates of the cap going up 2-2.5mil next year were conservative, and therefore would be a good place to start for cap space in these types of threads.

With that said, I think you have Moore too cheap, I can see him wanting 2mil, especially since us wanting him back would most likely point to him having a successful playoffs, which would make two playoffs in a row for him (last year with TB, this year with SJ) and therefore he'd have some bargaining power.

Winnik I use Talbot and Torres as similar comparisons.

TJ - I think he will get a moderate raise, but not much, and it will be a short deal to prove himself.

Wingles - I think his salary will actually go DOWN, just like Ginner's did this year. This will ensure that Wingels can be cap-friendly and increases his chances of actually playing. I don't think he will go 1+ mil, as he hasn't earned it.

Stuart - You have him low as well. Stuart will get very close to what he is making now on the open market, and I'd love it if the Sharks could get him at anywhere 3.5mil or below.

Braun - I give him a small bump, as he still hasn't officially played top 4 minutes.

FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.900m) / Dominic Moore ($2.000m) / Daniel Winnik ($1.750m)
Brad Winchester ($0.725m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.600m)
/ / Tommy Wingels ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Justin Braun ($1.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.300m)
/ Jason Demers ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,800,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,539,167; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $260,833

BrianSmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:52 PM
  #15
hockeyball
Registered User
 
hockeyball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 17,743
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 210 View Post
Purely my opinion, but the free agents (UFA/RFA) I think will not be in the organization next season one way or another:

Ferriero
Guite
Lucia
MacIntyre
Marcou
McLaren
Mitchell
D. Moore
M. Moore
A. Murray
Niittymaki
Sexsmith
Vandermeer
White
Winchester
I think that's a pretty good list, though I think there is a small chance Dominic is retained if he plays well in the playoffs again. If we use your list, what are these guys worth?

Ferriero - 4th?
Guite - worthless
Lucia - worthless
MacIntyre - worthless
Marcou - worthless
McLaren - late pick?
Mitchell - worthless (ufa)
D. Moore - worthless (ufa)
M. Moore - worthless (ufa)
A. Murray - worthless (ufa)
Niittymaki - worthless (ufa)
Sexsmith - 3rd maybe
Vandermeer - worthless (ufa)
White - worthless (ufa)
Winchester - worthless (ufa)

Ouch. Unless the Sharks move Demers they are not getting much at the draft. 15 contract slots though.

hockeyball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:56 PM
  #16
stalockrox
Registered User
 
stalockrox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,638
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 210 View Post
Purely my opinion, but the free agents (UFA/RFA) I think will not be in the organization next season one way or another:

Ferriero
Guite
Lucia
MacIntyre
Marcou
McLaren
Mitchell
D. Moore
M. Moore
A. Murray
Niittymaki
Sexsmith
Vandermeer
White
Winchester
I agree with this list w/ the exception of Winchester, who may earn a 1 year deal. I've really liked what he's brought this year but, that said, he's a very easy player to replace.

stalockrox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:57 PM
  #17
hockeyball
Registered User
 
hockeyball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 17,743
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianSmith View Post
SJE said that my estimates of the cap going up 2-2.5mil next year were conservative, and therefore would be a good place to start for cap space in these types of threads.
I was being conservative with the cap. I think it will go up slightly too, but was playing it safe. If you feel the cap will go up, go for it, but I doubt it goes upto Nash numbers

Quote:
With that said, I think you have Moore too cheap, I can see him wanting 2mil, especially since us wanting him back would most likely point to him having a successful playoffs, which would make two playoffs in a row for him (last year with TB, this year with SJ) and therefore he'd have some bargaining power.
Possible, agian i was going with his historic numbers which have been around 1.1-1.3. If he performs again in the playoffs I'd be ok giving him 2.

Quote:
Wingles - I think his salary will actually go DOWN, just like Ginner's did this year. This will ensure that Wingels can be cap-friendly and increases his chances of actually playing. I don't think he will go 1+ mil, as he hasn't earned it.
Good point, that's possible.

Quote:
Stuart - You have him low as well. Stuart will get very close to what he is making now on the open market, and I'd love it if the Sharks could get him at anywhere 3.5mil or below.
He comes at a discount to be near his family or I'm not interested. If he wants 3.5, enjoy being a Duck or something.

hockeyball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:57 PM
  #18
PAZ
.
 
PAZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,658
vCash: 500
There was a lot of speculation out there that Winnik was traded because he was looking for around a 3yr/7.5m contract with the Avs.

Also have to consider he took Phoenix to arbitration twice because he wanted a higher salary.

PAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:57 PM
  #19
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 7,982
vCash: 500
I love these threads, too. My lineup below.

Assumption first:
1. All potential FAs (UFAs/RFAs) perform at their current level or slightly better in the playoffs. I'm not assuming gigantic leaps in production.

FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Daniel Winnik ($1.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / T.J. Galiardi ($0.850m)
Brad Winchester ($0.825m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.650m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.650m)
Handzus buyout ($0.833m) / James Sheppard ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Justin Braun ($0.900m) / Brad Stuart ($3.333m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,105,500; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$805,500

Comments:
1. Really bolster our d with Stuart. It'll take about $3-3.5m AAV for 3-4 yrs to get him, I think. Go read the Trade board or the Wings board for comments on his market value.
2. Moore: he's at $1.1m AAV, $1.5m AAV / 2 years is a very nice raise.
3. Winnik: using Talbot as a comp (fair?), $1.8m AAV / 3-4 yrs is a solid deal.
4. Galiardi gets the "prove me" 1 yr deal but with a slight raise.
5. Braun gets the 1 yr prove me deal as well. I could budge and do 2 yrs though.
6. The remaining FAs get reasonable bumps on 1 yr deals - Winchester, Wingels, Sheppard and Desi.
7. Goodbye White, Ferriero, Mitchell and Vandy.
8. Handzus bought out for $833K (over 2 seasons).

I love this lineup - more continuity, a better D with Stuart and one of the best 3rd lines we've had since the 03-04 team.

Gilligans Island is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 12:58 PM
  #20
210
Registered User
 
210's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Worcester, MA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,593
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyball View Post
I think that's a pretty good list, though I think there is a small chance Dominic is retained if he plays well in the playoffs again. If we use your list, what are these guys worth?

Ferriero - 4th?
Guite - worthless
Lucia - worthless
MacIntyre - worthless
Marcou - worthless
McLaren - late pick?
Mitchell - worthless (ufa)
D. Moore - worthless (ufa)
M. Moore - worthless (ufa)
A. Murray - worthless (ufa)
Niittymaki - worthless (ufa)
Sexsmith - 3rd maybe
Vandermeer - worthless (ufa)
White - worthless (ufa)
Winchester - worthless (ufa)

Ouch. Unless the Sharks move Demers they are not getting much at the draft. 15 contract slots though.
It would be a net gain of 13...SJ has two junior contracts that start counting on 7/1

210 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 01:09 PM
  #21
BrianSmith
Chokers
 
BrianSmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cali
Country: United States
Posts: 3,121
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyball View Post
I was being conservative with the cap. I think it will go up slightly too, but was playing it safe. If you feel the cap will go up, go for it, but I doubt it goes upto Nash numbers



Possible, agian i was going with his historic numbers which have been around 1.1-1.3. If he performs again in the playoffs I'd be ok giving him 2.



Good point, that's possible.



He comes at a discount to be near his family or I'm not interested. If he wants 3.5, enjoy being a Duck or something.
Could be. IMO Stuart is a little better than Murray. Murray has looked REALLY slow as of late, and I think Murray's last season in teal is next season. I wouldn't have a problem signing Stuart at low 3._ cap hit for 2-3 years. You may be able to get him at 2.5mil/yr with a NMC with the discount of being close to his family, but I'd be shocked if he was had for 2mil. That is REALLY low. If so, I'd gladly eat crow because that'd be a damn steal

Also, I really have ZERO want for Nash. I'd much rather use his 7.8/year to add some seriously amazing depth.

BrianSmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 01:17 PM
  #22
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 7,982
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Les Wynan View Post
I'd just go with a Murray/Braun third pairing, there's no need for Stuart.
I'm just being greedy. Sick of seeing a 6th dman in Wallin, Huskins and now White **** in the bed. Stuart would slot in nicely at 4, pushing Murray down to 5 and Braun/Demers duking it out for 6.

Yes, it's a bit over the top but makes our D solid, top to bottom.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyball View Post
Good point, that's possible.
Typically, RFAs coming off their 2-way ELCs who haven't totally solidify their spots in the lineup (i.e., a top 4 dman or top 6 fwd) will sign a 1-way deal but at a lower cap hit. So more than possible, it's likely for a Wingels.

Gilligans Island is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 01:27 PM
  #23
SJeasy
Registered User
 
SJeasy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Jose
Country: United States
Posts: 12,404
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by stalockrox View Post
I agree with this list w/ the exception of Winchester, who may earn a 1 year deal. I've really liked what he's brought this year but, that said, he's a very easy player to replace.
I liked 210's list as well and also like your exception. I do think there is a good chance that Winchester is retained on a one-year deal with a small raise (<$50k).

For others,
If Winnik wants $2.5mil as reported, no sale. No more than $1.5mil. He doesn't put up enough points.

I figure someone will pay Moore in the neighborhood of $2.2mil if he has a reasonable playoffs (>0.3 pts/game). I think that $2.2mil is definitely worth it for Moore.

I figure Braun gets a Demers type deal or slightly higher due to Braun's age. $1.2-$1.4mil.

Wingels probably comes in at about $750k.

SJeasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 01:31 PM
  #24
Lazyking
Never Forget
 
Lazyking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Connecticut
Country: United States
Posts: 3,695
vCash: 500
Personally, I would try to trade Havlat. He's injury prone and that worries me. Honestly, everyone that's not gonna be on this team next year, is replaceable.

Lazyking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-29-2012, 01:33 PM
  #25
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 7,982
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SJeasy View Post
For others,
If Winnik wants $2.5mil as reported, no sale. No more than $1.5mil. He doesn't put up enough points.
Who would you comp Winnik to? Only player I can think of, off the top of my head, is Talbot but I haven't researched it yet.

Gilligans Island is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:31 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.