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02-29-2012, 07:47 PM
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Quick vs Bernier

Kinda feel like this is the elephant in the living room no one wants to talk about. Someone has to go. Is it Bernier or Quick. DL has been here before. Not sure what he did in San Jose but he had 3 good goalies there. Did he keep the one everyone thought he would? I feel that either goalie can be good in our system. Quick has more value does he pull the trigger on him and score JVR and Voracek and a pick or something along those lines. Does he keep Quick pay him 6 mill a year...yikes.... and trade Bernier for what he can get for him. Does DL sit on them for another year? Either way we have a great goalie for the long haul. I expect some flaming and so forth but it still is a topic I would like to learn and talk about. Hope it does not turn into a bash on our goalies, again both are great and would excell in our system.

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02-29-2012, 07:51 PM
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You simply don't trade someone who has shown what Quick has shown.

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02-29-2012, 07:53 PM
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Quick has cemented his place on this team and he should not be traded. JB goes when Lombardi can get something great back in return. I imagine there will be a few teams dying to get a legit #1 this summer.

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02-29-2012, 07:55 PM
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gotta sign Quick to extension:

in the off season, if not sooner,

cuz he is a known quantity in the net,

while Bernier may end up being just as good, but he has to play everyday somewhere to find out,

so let's trade Bernier after Quickie is locked up LT, for a Left Winger who is a sniper, not a play maker,

we have too many playmakers and not enough pure scorers...

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anyone know the scenario in San Jose? Did he keep the best goalie etc.

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Let them play every other game

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I think Quick is a better goalie. I think Bernier is a better Yodeler.

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Unless Quick demands Rinne type money you keep him. He's bigger than Bernier, always says the right things and seems to be liked in the locker room. Not that Bernier isn't but Quick is everything you want from a goalie right now.

Quick has way more trade value but even then I don't see how you could possibly trade the team MVP with the history of goaltending in this organization.

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You simply don't trade someone who has shown what Quick has shown.
Agreed. Especially with this franchise's track record for drafting and developing goalies.

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I wouldn't sign any goalie for more than 3 or 4 years. They are just too unpredictable.

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You simply don't trade someone who has shown what Quick has shown.
You do... if you feel the backup can play at or better than the starter's level -- and you feel the starter would bring back more in a trade.

See: Jack Johnson/Slava Voynov.

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You do... if you feel the backup can play at or better than the starter's level -- and you feel the starter would bring back more in a trade.

See: Jack Johnson/Slava Voynov.
This is my thinking Quicks trade value would be through the roof. He will have a big payday which he deserves but I dont think we can overlook this scenario. Wasn't Bernier upside higher? Different styles but both equally great in our system. What did he do in San Jose?

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Who cares what Quick's "trade value" is?

When you have a player as good as Quick, the whole concept to becoming a superior team is to keep a guy like that, not trade him.

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This is my thinking Quicks trade value would be through the roof. He will have a big payday which he deserves but I dont think we can overlook this scenario. Wasn't Bernier upside higher? Different styles but both equally great in our system. What did he do in San Jose?
Traded kipper and kept nabakov.

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What's your thoughts on Bernier? Ability wise.

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Traded kipper and kept nabakov.
Oh boy. lol

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What's your thoughts on Bernier? Ability wise.
He's a #1 goalie in the NHL. Probably not with the kings.

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Who cares what Quick's "trade value" is?

When you have a player as good as Quick, the whole concept to becoming a superior team is to keep a guy like that, not trade him.
Hopefully, the GM cares what his trade value is.

I'm not advocating for a trade of Quick. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, Bernier can play at the same level or better than Quick. If so, then it makes sense to trade Quick.

Unfortunately, we'll never know unless Bernier gets more playing time.

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This is my thinking Quicks trade value would be through the roof. He will have a big payday which he deserves but I dont think we can overlook this scenario. Wasn't Bernier upside higher? Different styles but both equally great in our system. What did he do in San Jose?
Nabokov was an established starter since 00-01. Kiprusoff was the backup in 02-03 but was not very good (5-14-0, .879, 3.25), and Toskala saw some time with big club due to that (4-3-1, .927, 2.35) despite playing most of the season in AHL. I believe DL was fired following the 2003 season, so he never made the decision.

In 03-04 they went with Toskala as the backup, with Kipper just sitting in the press box from what I can tell until he was traded to Calgary for a 2nd Round Pick in November. Toskala would later be traded to Toronto following the 06-07 season.


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Traded kipper and kept nabakov.
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Oh boy. lol
That was Wilson, And Kipper was downright awful in 02-03, it was the right call, Toskala had been lights out as a backup in 02-03/03-04. Nabokov was a star also for many years (00-10), it was not a big loss to SJS.

SJS also took the picks they acquired for Toskala and got Logan Couture...

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Traded kipper and kept nabakov.
and kept Toskala.

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You're right, dean was fired march 2003 and kipper was traded in November.

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Nabokov was an established starter since 00-01. Kiprusoff was the backup in 02-03 but was not very good (5-14-0, .879, 3.25), and Toskala saw some time with big club due to that (4-3-1, .927, 2.35) despite playing most of the season in AHL. I believe DL was fired following the 2003 season, so he never made the decision.

In 03-04 they went with Toskala as the backup, with Kipper just sitting in the press box from what I can tell until he was traded to Calgary for a 2nd Round Pick in November. Toskala would later be traded to Toronto following the 06-07 season.






That was Wilson, And Kipper was downright awful in 02-03, it was the right call, Toskala had been lights out as a backup in 02-03/03-04. Nabokov was a star also for many years (00-10), it was not a big loss to SJS.

SJS also took the picks they acquired for Toskala and got Logan Couture...
I think you misinterpreted my response. That's a tough position to be in with those goalies, even if Kipper was having a bad time as the backup.

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The Habs also traded Halak after that great postseason run, I think because they like Price's talent more. For all we know, Dean could be thinking the same way.

EDIT: I'm not advocating for this. Just a thought.


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I think you misinterpreted my response. That's a tough position to be in with those goalies, even if Kipper was having a bad time as the backup.
Ah ic, sorry. Well yeah it's true. But with established star Nabokov and fellow youngster Toskala badly outplaying Kipper for the backup spot, it was the right move.

For Kings it is so much tougher since the top prospect and established starter are both playing so well.

Ideally, I think if we could get a return like SJS got for Toskala(traded with 3rd/4th liner Mark Bell for a 1st, 2nd and 4th, later taking that 1st and 2nd and moving up to take Couture) for Bernier and lock up Quick long-term we are laughing, IMO.

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I think Quick should definitely stay. He's been the foundation that has weathered quite a storm this year, and he's proven.

That said, I actually feel safer, in a way, when Bernier is out in goal. Quick tends to sprawl on a lot of saves. The 2nd chances he creates sometimes scare the crap out of me. But damn are they awesome saves. Bernier, on the other hand, always seems so calm and poise. When teams attack, even on 3-on-2, he's so well-positioned and chill... "come at me bro" kind of attitude.

I wish we could keep both forever. =P

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