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11-12-2003, 05:48 PM
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Defense

Every game I see we end up trailing and also giving up more then 40 shots a game. Does anyone see any way to sure up the defense and I am wondering if you think Roszival can help?

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11-12-2003, 06:00 PM
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Every game I see we end up trailing and also giving up more then 40 shots a game. Does anyone see any way to sure up the defense and I am wondering if you think Roszival can help?

Thanks
Eradicate the Penguins of the following vermin, so to speak:
1. Bergevin (scratch, occasional game, Scuderi ? called up)
2. Berehowsky (gone, traded likely, Lupaschuk called up)
3. Holzinger (Beech or Surovy called up)
4. McKenna (Simpson called up, better all around enforcer and fighter)

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11-12-2003, 06:26 PM
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I also thought McKenna played bad, but it was his first game back there. I do remember the Messier goal it that did look bad. I am also seeing a lot of 2nd and 3rd scoring chances. No one seems to take the body on D. We give the blue line to easily. I would like to call up Lupy, but I don't know how much of a difference that will make. I also am worried about the confidence of Fluery. I think you are asking too much from a young goaltender.

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There might not be much that can be done..... When you have to play McKenna on D...ouch.

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I think Lupaschuk and Scuderi should be up learning the NHL game. At least for a few game stints here and there.

I'd rather have rookies with potential making rookie mistakes than veterans.

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11-12-2003, 09:10 PM
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Eradicate the Penguins of the following vermin, so to speak:
1. Bergevin (scratch, occasional game, Scuderi ? called up)
2. Berehowsky (gone, traded likely, Lupaschuk called up)
3. Holzinger (Beech or Surovy called up)
4. McKenna (Simpson called up, better all around enforcer and fighter)
Lupaschuk and Scuderi in place of Bergevin and Berehowsky? I thought we were trying to lower our shots against.

Having 3 rookies on our blueline would be insane. Fleury would probably end the season in a straight jacket.

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11-12-2003, 09:27 PM
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It's borderline.

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11-12-2003, 09:49 PM
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But do you think rookies are the answer?

We're trying to develop skaters, but we're trying to develop two goalies in the process.

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Tarnstrom has probably been our least worst defenseman so far. According to that one guy, Lupaschuk isn't even on the 1st powerplay unit down in WB/S.

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Tarnstrom has probably been our least worst defenseman so far.
Ok - that is about the best description I have yet seen!

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Have we seen a back-to-back game yet with consistent defense pairings?? No wonder these guys are like the keystone cops out there. Take a look at the Messier goal last night - I firmly believe that had that been a pairing that knew each other, they (Melichar and McKenna) would not have both collapsed in on Barnaby as the decoy, and thus let Messier sail in alone.

We blast them for poor and inconsistent play, but the environment provided to them is not conducive to consistency and learning

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11-13-2003, 08:20 AM
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As for the Messier goal...I don't care if Melichar had been Bobby Orr..lol
What can you do when your partner is 6'9 and he is skating towards you out of control..puts his arms out like a spazz...and takes you out of the play?


That's exactly the way it looked too!

BUT, let's see what they do about it. No one expected us to be going anywhere, anyhow, right?

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But do you think rookies are the answer?
It's not the answer for sure. However, I'd rather have the 9-0 blowout due to "lack of exerience" rather than "lack of brains, talent, etc.".

If our blue line is all rookies, how much worse can it get? Instead of 7-2 or 9-0, it's 9-2 or 11-0. Get rid of the deadwood on D already!

Hopefully, we all realize, there IS no solution, only band-aids.

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Speakin of Fleury, did he wear his new pads or old pads?
He wore his old pads last night.

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Anyway, Mckenna sucks, man is he a dumbass or what?
He's not. The people playing him night after night.. That is a different story.

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So is anyone else starting to miss Ian Moran?

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I think the responses are kinda funny.

Come on everyone all together now. This team stinks and NOTHING they do will make it any better.

Lupaschuk should be playing instead of Mckenna but not because hes any better defensively (Im not saying hes not better defensively). As a prospect hes not going to get much better so no worries about hurting his development he would provide a right handed point man and someone who can move the puck.

I really hope and pray Penguins management doesnt panic the way some of the fans are. Did anyone really seriously think it would be any different? If the Pens got rid of everyone on the organizational depth chart that stinks they wouldnt have enough players to put together a team.

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So is anyone else starting to miss Ian Moran?
Moran is much better than McKenna. I don't see how Mckenna is not the worst player in the NHL. There's not one aspect of the game he does well. He's labeled as a fighter/ agitator and he suck's at that too. If he wasn't as tall as he is, he woudln't make an ECHL squad. And why is he still on the penguins?!?!?! :mad:

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11-13-2003, 01:20 PM
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And why is he still on the penguins?!?!?! :mad:
Because he's a nice guy, a la why Moran was here so long.

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I agree with the other poster... Bergevin is f-ing WORTHLESS.

Have said so all along and have no idea, short of his "experience" why he is on this roster. Maybe Mario really does need a poker buddy on the plane rides? The guy certainly is no longer capable of playing defense worth a crap.

Also, Berehowsky has to go. I predicted his worthlessness before the pre-season and he's making me look like a hockey genius (which I'm not).

McKenna shouldn't even be dressed unless he's a forward who is told to crash the net on every single offensive possession. That's his only possible use. If we're lucky maybe the puck will bounce off him into the net 6 or 7 times this year.

I also think bringing up Lupy and maybe one more AHL kid is definitely a good move at this point. What have we got to lose -- lack of attempted hits (missed)? At least these young guys are good enough skaters / healthy enough to connect on one or two good hits a game.


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Moran is much better than McKenna.
i disagree. mcKenna can at least hit people if he wanted to.
Moran couldnt even do that.

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The endless Moran bashing is getting pretty old.

I don't see how anyone could possibly say that McKenna is a better defenseman than Moran. I really find that to be ridiculous.

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This is going to be a long year if this team doesn't start trapping. We have two competent defensemen, one of which is a rookie.

I hate the trap more than anything, but I don't want to see Marc Andre get lit up like a Christmas tree every game all year. That isn't good for his development. Play the boring ass style. Put the nearside winger in the mid slot instead of on his point man or high slot to take care of the front of the net I guess. That leaves a pointman open, but better a long shot than someone in Fleury's crease.

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The endless Moran bashing is getting pretty old.

I don't see how anyone could possibly say that McKenna is a better defenseman than Moran. I really find that to be ridiculous.
Moran is a solid 4/5/6 defensemen, just like the majority of current guys (not including Orpik who is developing so I don't count him) and the majority of all who have left the team.

It's so blatant that I can't see how most could all miss it.

The Penguins defensive problems are due to the fact that we have no legitimite number 1 defenseman, or even number 2 or 3 defenseman. Hopefully, we will have fixed that problem with the drafting of guys like Whitney, Orpik, Welch, Schneider, and trading for a Lupaschuk..but time will tell.

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Moran is a solid 4/5/6 defensemen, just like the majority of current guys (not including Orpik who is developing so I don't count him) and the majority of all who have left the team.

It's so blatant that I can't see how most could all miss it.

The Penguins defensive problems are due to the fact that we have no legitimite number 1 defenseman, or even number 2 or 3 defenseman. Hopefully, we will have fixed that problem with the drafting of guys like Whitney, Orpik, Welch, Schneider, and trading for a Lupaschuk..but time will tell.
i think in a year or two orpik will be at least a #3, most likely a #2.

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