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02-29-2012, 03:25 PM
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I've never been really opposed to coaches juggling their lines to find something that works. RC, on the other hand, never tried to juggle his 2nd and lower lines to find something that really clicked, although he did blow up something that clicked(AK with Eller) with one of his changes. And while the Patches-DD-Cole line has been good, I think it's time to try and spread out are scorers because we're kind of thin on that, but nope, still stuck with that. It's ****ing annoying.

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03-01-2012, 04:24 AM
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im thinking RC stands for "Really Crap"

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03-01-2012, 04:52 AM
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It's for "Reaching Colombus"

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Cunneyworth isn't an NHL coach period. Martin had his weaknesses but he was able to get way more out of this team than RC. The only thing that RC still does that Martin was doing too is give a lot of days off. I wonder whats behind this trend in MTL.

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03-01-2012, 06:32 AM
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where are all the anglos blindly defending him just because he was a symbol of their cause not to care about a french coach

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03-01-2012, 06:51 AM
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where are all the anglos blindly defending him just because he was a symbol of their cause not to care about a french coach
Such a victim here, he is terrible but initially changing the fore check and allowing the younger guys to play was a plus. It just turns out he couldn't manage a bench/game to save his life. Don't worry though all the blind hating done by the other side will result in a coach that speaks french and not the best available coach.

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03-01-2012, 07:05 AM
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ok, I know it's "just" a 4-game winning streak, and we've had our fair share of luck in the process...


but I would like to point out that, with the team on it's biggest winning streak of the season, 2 highly paid/ineffective vets are getting the kind of minutes their play warrants, as opposed to their age/experience/salary.


Aside from the Pitt overtime game (where Kaberle got 17min), both Gomez and Kaberle have seen their minutes kept under 15min (kaberle)/12min(gomez) in all 4 wins...


RC seems to "get it" in a way that Martin stubbornly never did.

It's one thing to play the guys you trust, or the guys you "think" give you the best chance to win, its another thing to simply default to experience/salary as a rational for ice time.

Gomez and Kaberle, by virtue of their level of performance, are getting the kind of minutes they deserve, yet were Martin still in place, very good chance we'd be seeing both with a lot more minutes.



and yes, I do realize that Martin's record/win% with the team this year was better than RC's... but will be interesting to see how that looks by the end of the year.

RC isn't without his issues as a coach, but given the way he was brought in (and thrown under the bus), and given that this is is first stint as an NHL coach, it only makes sense to give him some time to actually put his "stamp" on the team.

This may just be a small upswing, and this team may remain a sub-500 team the rest of the season, but right now, how they are competing and more importantly, how what their body language & comments suggest about their level of "buy-in" with the team/coach/program, looks way better than it was under Martin... and as some like to point out, at the time of his firing, the team had been having a pretty good month, results-wise, without any noticeable positive reflection from the players.


Guys "get it"... when a coach plays people based on effectiveness/effort, everyone feels better (and those that don't, are exactly the kind of guys you don't win with).

both Gomez & Kaberle, to their credit, don't seem to be pouting about being used sparsely, which says a lot about their character... just hope PG can find a way to get rid of both before next season.
I doubt this will hold true as coaches could never do no right according to our fans in recent years. Rather it is Martin, Carbonneau, Gainey, Vigneault or Julien. Cunneyworth high chance end up same as them here

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03-01-2012, 07:46 AM
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Imagine Gauthier, RC and Gomez all still with the team next season lol.

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03-01-2012, 08:35 AM
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Looks like most of our fans still don't understand that we are tanking.
This. And I'd add that they don't know the definition of "interim".

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03-01-2012, 08:36 AM
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Imagine Gauthier, RC and Gomez all still with the team next season lol.
That's my biggest fear, really.

Molson needs to get some good advice from Serge Savard and clean the house, right after the end of the season... to give a little adaptation time before the very important draft. Don't let Timmins draft a grinder with his first pick, we need a star. If we pass on Grigorenko because Timmins isn't impress by his credentials and becomes another Kopitar, I'm going to lose it.

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Imagine Gauthier, RC and Gomez all still with the team next season lol.
I think Habs would lose a lot in popularity if they all remained here.
Not only would it be a bad hockey decision, but I would be a very bad business one too. I'm sure Molson is well aware of that.

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03-01-2012, 09:34 AM
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This. And I'd add that they don't know the definition of "interim".
If RC is indeed a puppet than I feel for him because he certainly isn't making a case for staying or getting another job at the NHL level. I guess behind closed door, Gauthier and co. will tell other GMs that he followed the company line, even though the company line wouldn't be very popular among people who pays to watch the worst possible line up one the Habs can ice....

Still is following the company line enough to get another coaching job at the NHL when you never delivered anything else? Not sure about that...

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03-01-2012, 09:40 AM
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If RC is indeed a puppet than I feel for him because he certainly isn't making a case for staying or getting another job at the NHL level. I guess behind closed door, Gauthier and co. will tell other GMs that he followed the company line, even though the company line wouldn't be very popular among people who pays to watch the worst possible line up one the Habs can ice....

Still is following the company line enough to get another coaching job at the NHL when you never delivered anything else? Not sure about that...
in some cases maybe but not in this one... once it was made clear that he would lose his job after the last game of the season, he HAD to show other GMs what he is capable of, even if it meant not following orders.

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03-01-2012, 09:53 AM
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Cunneyworth isn't an NHL coach period. Martin had his weaknesses but he was able to get way more out of this team than RC. The only thing that RC still does that Martin was doing too is give a lot of days off. I wonder whats behind this trend in MTL.
LOL you're hilarious. You'll see in a few seasons, he'll be coaching a team deep in the playoffs. Nothing new.

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03-01-2012, 10:01 AM
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LOL you're hilarious. You'll see in a few seasons, he'll be coaching a team deep in the playoffs. Nothing new.
Care to substantiate your prediction? You may think your arrogance is enough to convince people you disagree with but it doesn't fly with me. In fact it only convinces me to scratch you as someone I'd rather not read.

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This. And I'd add that they don't know the definition of "interim".
"This" what exactly??? They were thinking about tanking in mid December when they changed coaches?

In the real pro sports world, there is no tanking; the concept only exists here.

And if RC was competent enough, he'd damn double his effort to make sure to show what he's capable of, if he knew he was "interim".

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03-01-2012, 10:08 AM
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"This" what exactly??? They were thinking about tanking in mid December when they changed coaches?

In the real pro sports world, there is no tanking; the concept only exists here.
"this", besides they didnt need to fire the coach if they wanted to tank, just removing a few players (like trading AK and Gill for example) would have worked.

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03-01-2012, 01:01 PM
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Looks like most of our fans still don't understand that we are tanking.
Were they tanking when Martin was fired and they were on the edge of the playoffs? Right after trading for Kaberele? Because that's when this stuff started.

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I doubt this will hold true as coaches could never do no right according to our fans in recent years. Rather it is Martin, Carbonneau, Gainey, Vigneault or Julien. Cunneyworth high chance end up same as them here
I really believe that if hf was around in the 70's, there would also be an anti scotty bowman group.

There are some coaches I've disliked, but they get way too much heat here when things go bad. Its like Ron Wilson in Toronto. Is it his fault that schenn handles the puck like a hot potato? There are other issues to look at rather than just blaming the coach.

I dont even think its fair to evaluate RC in this circus of a season, tbh.

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I really believe that if hf was around in the 70's, there would also be an anti scotty bowman group.

There are some coaches I've disliked, but they get way too much heat here when things go bad. Its like Ron Wilson in Toronto. Is it his fault that schenn handles the puck like a hot potato? There are other issues to look at rather than just blaming the coach.

I dont even think its fair to evaluate RC in this circus of a season, tbh.
- Geoffrion/Plekanec/White
- destroyed the Eller/AK/Moen line
- AK production was 1/3 of what it was with previous coaches
- can find a decent line for Bourque to play on

HE is one of the reasons this season is a circus... he is part of it...

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03-01-2012, 01:48 PM
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Imagine Gauthier, RC and Gomez all still with the team next season lol.
if that happens just give up on 2013, loan price to the blue jackets for a year and tank for Mackinnon.

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03-01-2012, 02:21 PM
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This. And I'd add that they don't know the definition of "interim".
4 pts out of a playoff spot, gauthier fired martin saying he wanted to whip the troops and push for a playoff spot. He then added thomas kaberle to the team, saying it would help the powerplay.

I can't see how the fans' reaction, (seeing that RC is NOT better than Martin, and that we will miss the playoffs) can be criticized. Pierrrrre doesn't know what the ff... he is doing (or lied), cuz if his idea was to start tanking 4 pts out of a playoff spot in december ... he needs to lose his job ASAP and live a quiet exile in china. Like he said, '' un language ca s'apprend'' .

his arrogance, your arrogance ... is what people are really tired of. Its not so much missing the playoffs anymore, its having people who don't have a clue what they're talking about trying to convince us that we know nothing while we sit here and laugh at all the answers they give to explain their unforgiveable mistakes ... like ... assuming and telling the world Markov would Star this year.

Interim is a nice word, and I think everyone here knows what it means ... what you probably missed in your thought process is this simple question ; Why an interim ? and if you come to the conclusion that that was the BEST thing PG could come up with ... here's another question ; Why not an interim GM ?

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- Geoffrion/Plekanec/White
- destroyed the Eller/AK/Moen line
- AK production was 1/3 of what it was with previous coaches
- can find a decent line for Bourque to play on

HE is one of the reasons this season is a circus... he is part of it...
I'm fine with that as long as you dont dump everything on him. I'm tired of recycling coaches every two years though. There's a bigger issue here, because other so called idiot coaches who came through here turned out to be jack adams calibur.

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4 pts out of a playoff spot, gauthier fired martin saying he wanted to whip the troops and push for a playoff spot. He then added thomas kaberle to the team, saying it would help the powerplay.
He actually added Kaberle shortly before firing Martin -- 8 days earlier in fact. Trading for Kaberle can be criticized in many ways, but it wasn't a move designed to tank.

Unless the team changed its mind and decided to tank simetime inisde that 8-day span (covering 3 games in which the Habs went 2-1-0), then replacing Martin with Cunneyworth wasn't an intentional tank. It seems that someone genuinely believed this would make the team better.

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I'm fine with that as long as you dont dump everything on him. I'm tired of recycling coaches every two years though. There's a bigger issue here, because other so called idiot coaches who came through here turned out to be jack adams calibur.
some yes, but not the Carbonneau, not the Perron or Berry, not the Tremblay either...

some we fired turned out to be very good, but not all of them.

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