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Top-10 pick + Luke Schenn for Top-5 pick

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03-01-2012, 08:24 AM
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Schenn can likely garner a top 10 pick on his own. ...he's ready, and you know what you get, and what he can become ...the pick you never know???

GM's live for the moment, not 5 years down the road (many GM's dont even last 5 years)


This year you may be correct, There is a significant drop after the top 6-7 picks so Schenn might be able to get the Leafs up into the 8-12 range. A GM would know what he would get out of Schenn but the pick is unknown. I think its a real longshot though.

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03-01-2012, 08:25 AM
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As an Oiler fan I would do the trade.

Schenn would be an upgrade on our defense. If the Leaf pick is 10 we likely aren't getting a star but could probably pick up another #3-4 dman (Ceci) which is exactly what we need.

I usually hate quantity for quality deals but based on where the Oilers are in the rebuild I would consider it

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03-01-2012, 08:26 AM
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lets just give up on a former top 5 pick and give up a top 10 pick. smart.
In a world where all picks are of equal value, I might agree with you, but they don't.

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03-01-2012, 12:32 PM
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If Montreal ends up with the 3rd overall pick and both Yakupov and Grigorenko are taken I would definitely make this trade (as a Montreal fan)
You wouldn't want Galchenyuk or Forsberg?

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03-01-2012, 12:50 PM
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IMO i dont trade into this top 3. not bashing the prospects, cause its a deep draft. but i dont think it holds the same weight as:

(Stamkos/Doughty/Bogo)
(Tavares/Hedman/Duchene)
(Hall/Seguin/Gudbranson)

Only time will tell, but i wouldn't throw Schenn + a decent pick (where anyone can fall to us). for a top3.

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03-01-2012, 01:40 PM
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As much as I want the Leafs to have a lottery pick in this up-coming Draft, there is no way that I would sacrifice Luke Schenn and the Leafs' 1st rounder to do it.

He's had a rough season, there's no doubt about it, but that's still no reason to trade him away. He's a 22 y/o defensive defenceman who is still developing physically and you don't throw this type of player away just because he's having a rough season. If he's being proper coached (which he currently isn't) and given enough time to fully develop, then he'll become a solid shut-down defenceman.

As it currently stands, the Leafs are in possession of the 9th overall pick. Standings-wise, they are not far from a lottery position as they are only ~4 points up on the Islanders (who currently hold the 4th overall pick). Furthermore, the Leafs have not been playing well of late and could very easily continue on their current trend while other teams below them could easily pass them by, therby dropping the Leafs further down the standings.

With that said, there is no reason for the Leafs to make such a trade, since the likelihood of them dropping into a lottery position is very conceivable. Whether or not this happens, though, is completely anothe story.

In any event, nothing of this nature should even be considered until such time as the top-14 draft positions are determined.

Until then, this thread is rather moot, but can easily be revisited once the draft order is determined.

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03-01-2012, 02:01 PM
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Can someone tell me how good the top 3 potential picks are this year compared to previous years (Hall/seguin/....)

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03-01-2012, 02:09 PM
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The Leafs are 8th worst in the league at the moment and are 3 points above the teams that hold picks 4, 5 and 6 (obviously this changes a bit with the lotto, but it's all we have to go with right now).

I'm not a fan of trading into the top 5 at the cost of Schenn and our own pick.. and I find it much more palatable to simply see how long this losing streak can go and if we can land a top 5 pick by ourselves.

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No way I'd do that.

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I think it's a horrible move by Toronto, but if I'm Edmonton I seriously consider it.
Yes, this makes sense. They need a young D to go with their young core...drafting D right now would take years to develop. And they still get a decent pick back...maybe to draft another defenseman for later.

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To Montreal: Luke Schenn + Joe Colborne + 1st round draft pick in 2012
To Toronto: Scott Gomez + 1st round draft pick in 2012

Future on defense:

Gorges - Subban
Emelin - Schenn
Tinordi - Beaulieu

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03-01-2012, 03:40 PM
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To Montreal: Luke Schenn + Joe Colborne + 1st round draft pick in 2012
To Toronto: Scott Gomez + 1st round draft pick in 2012

Future on defense:

Gorges - Subban
Emelin - Schenn
Tinordi - Beaulieu
To Toronto: P.K. Subban + Lars Eller + 1st round draft pick in 2012

To Montreal: Mike Komisarek + 1st round draft pick in 2012

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Somebody has been watching games. I think we should trade Schenn for a top 5 pick. Straight up.


If this was before the lottery, i would say something minor, and we will hope to win the lottery. If it is after the deadline, is

Isles 1st
Niederreiter

for
Schenn
Leafs 1st
Percy(last years first round pick) or Gysbers + Mikus

Possible?

Niederreiter has not been performing in an Isles jersey.
Id do this ...Burke would not...Leafs like Percy(good friends with Strome I heard)

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should have traded Schenn while he had value and kept Aulie.

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should have traded Schenn while he had value and kept Aulie.
I lol'd. Thanks for the laugh

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03-01-2012, 03:47 PM
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should have traded Schenn while he had value and kept Aulie.
We got Carter Ashton for Aulie while keeping Schenn for his promising potential. Don't really see a loss here. Especially since you don't know what was being offered for Schenn.

What we do know is that Burke was offered legitimate deals, but they were deals that benefited the Leafs in the future and not the present. The Leafs aren't selling core pieces off.

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I fixed it for you.
With the vets Rolston and probably Parenteau leaving,I expect 19/20 yr old Nino to make his way off the 4th line.

Snow won't give up his 1st or Nino or a collection of Toronto's spare parts.
Actually

Nino + Isles 2012 1st for Phaneuf might not be that bad.
We could win the lottery and then we could draft Yakupov.
Yakupov + Niederreiter is a good return for Phaneuf.
Then we sign Suter, and we wont miss a beat.

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We got Carter Ashton for Aulie while keeping Schenn for his promising potential. Don't really see a loss here. Especially since you don't know what was being offered for Schenn.

What we do know is that Burke was offered legitimate deals, but they were deals that benefited the Leafs in the future and not the present. The Leafs aren't selling core pieces off.
getting Ashton was a sick underrated move but I believe there is not much of a difference come to Aulie and Schenn.

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To Montreal: Luke Schenn + Joe Colborne + 1st round draft pick in 2012
To Toronto: Scott Gomez + 1st round draft pick in 2012

Future on defense:

Gorges - Subban
Emelin - Schenn
Tinordi - Beaulieu
You expect us to take Gomez, while we give u a Top 10 pick, a former top 5 pick, and our best centre prospect?

Would u guyz do:

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To Toronto: P.K. Subban + Lars Eller + 1st round draft pick in 2012

To Montreal: Mike Komisarek + 1st round draft pick in 2012
Also, Komisarek did well in Montreal so it is not as bad as it looks. Leafs fans wont do Schenn + 1st for Mtl pick becuase its Mtl. If Mtl has 1st overall, it might be a different story.

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Actually

Nino + Isles 2012 1st for Phaneuf might not be that bad.
We could win the lottery and then we could draft Yakupov.
Yakupov + Niederreiter is a good return for Phaneuf.
Then we sign Suter, and we wont miss a beat.
Totally fair deal.

Then, the NHL will just forfeit and give the leafs the cup. Also, to pay homage to such a great team they'll give them the 2013 first overall pick.

Seriously, think before you post...

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To Toronto: P.K. Subban + Lars Eller + 1st round draft pick in 2012

To Montreal: Mike Komisarek + 1st round draft pick in 2012

To the Habs Kessels,Gardiner and their 1st
To the Leafs Kaberle Gomez and our 1st.

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You expect us to take Gomez, while we give u a Top 10 pick, a former top 5 pick, and our best centre prospect?

Would u guyz do:



Also, Komisarek did well in Montreal so it is not as bad as it looks. Leafs fans wont do Schenn + 1st for Mtl pick becuase its Mtl. If Mtl has 1st overall, it might be a different story.
Habs fan won't do their 1st for L.Schenn and the Leafs 1st.Schenn has played like crap this season .We don't need a # 4 D-man with no offensive potential.

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getting Ashton was a sick underrated move but I believe there is not much of a difference come to Aulie and Schenn.
There isn't much of a difference right now. The difference is their future potential. We've already seen flashes of what Schenn can do. Aulie didn't look out of place on our first pairing last year, but he didn't really make an impact. I feel that Luke can make an impact when he's playing well.

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I can tell you one team that won't take that: Toronto.

That may very well be the asking price but its simply too expensive. Much smarter to keep Schenn and just pick at whatever spot they get.

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Habs fan won't do their 1st for L.Schenn and the Leafs 1st.Schenn has played like crap this season .We don't need a # 4 D-man with no offensive potential.
and we wont take Gomez who has played like that for 4 years.

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