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Jean Beliveau vs Maurice Richard

View Poll Results: Who was better?
Maurice Richard 8 19.05%
Jean Beliveau 34 80.95%
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03-01-2012, 03:02 PM
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agreed.

It's hard for people to identify themselves with Béliveau , I'm not sure I know somebody who has a more flawless life/career resume than him.Clean player , all-around great , great career , great accomplishment , leadership by flawless example , clean person without any scandal , honorable , respected...boring.No flavor at all.

Lafleur and Richard were more exciting , and their character were more flawed.Kids on the street probably wanted to be Richard and Lafleur more than Béliveau.Nobody wants to be Jean ****ing Béliveau lol.

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Lafleur is a pop star. Richard was the hero of a Victor Hugo novel. Beliveau is a saint. Hopefully he doesn't pass away anytime soon but when he does his funeral will be every bit as big as Richard's, just in a different way.

Richard was the little French-Canadian who showed those English we (I'm using the figurative we borrowed from Roch Carrier, since I'm neither French nor Canadian) are just as good. Beliveau was the guy who transcended that. I mean, they offered him the ****ing post of Governor-General. No hockey player will ever be offered that again.

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I'm surprised this is such a blowout for Beliveau
Was thinking the same thing. They are pretty close.

Richard
Led league in goals-5 times
Top 5 scoring finishes-9
Art Ross-0

Beliveau
Led league in goals- 2 times
Top 5 scoring finishes-8
Art Ross-1

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Was thinking the same thing. They are pretty close.

Richard
Led league in goals-5 times
Top 5 scoring finishes-9
Art Ross-0

Beliveau
Led league in goals- 2 times
Top 5 scoring finishes-8
Art Ross-1
Richard
hart trophies 1
top-5 in hart voting: 6 (once WW2)

Beliveau
hart trophies 2
top-5 in hart voting: 8

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Richard
hart trophies 1
top-5 in hart voting: 6 (once WW2)

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hart trophies 2
top-5 in hart voting: 8
That's still close (personally I think Hart trophies are overvalued in these debates, as you don't actually have to be better than a opposing player to win it.) I would also give Richard a slight advantage in playoffs.
Richard also has 8 NHL 1st team selections vs 6 for Beliveau.


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That's still close (personally I think Hart trophies are overvalued in these debates, as you don't actually have to be better than a opposing player to win it.) I would also give Richard a slight advantage in playoffs.
Richard also has 8 NHL 1st team selections vs 6 for Beliveau.
you can't compare all-star team selections between centers and wingers.

while we are on the topic, Richard's best 10 seasons as a percentage of the #2 scorer, with WW2 adjustment:

100, 100, 100, 100, 94, 92, 90, 88, 86, 81

Beliveau's best 10:

111, 100, 100, 99, 99, 99, 93, 89, 83, 81

that is close, but a slim edge to Beliveau. Throw in that Beliveau was better defensively and a better leader, and perhaps one of five players in history that the Rocket cannot claim a playoff edge over, and it looks easy to me.

the results of the poll don't surprise me. the answer is definitely Beliveau, we can all agree on that and still all agree that it's close. If there was a choice "Beliveau but it's close", it would be the runaway winner.

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